Demographics are changing in the US, unlike GOP tactics

I’ve seen America’s future – and it’s not Republican
Stan Greenberg


New and profound demographic changes will give the Democrats a huge advantage in the 2016 election, and beyond

iven the kind of things the Republican presidential candidates have been saying every day for weeks now, you might reasonably conclude that US politics is stuck not just in another decade, but in a previous century. Ben Carson thinks Obamacare is “the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery”. To boost an argument against gun control Carson also said that Hitler would have killed fewer Jews in the Holocaust “if the people had been armed”. Donald Trump, meanwhile, would expel 12 million undocumented migrants because so many are “criminals, murderers and rapists”. Carly Fiorina asserts that “every single policy” Hillary Clinton espouses, including paid family leave and equal pay for women, “has been demonstrably bad for women”.

This Republican race to the political bottom is happening because America’s conservatives are losing the culture wars. The US is now beyond the electoral tipping point, driven by a new progressive majority in the electorate: racial minorities (black and Hispanic) plus single women, millennials (born between 1982 and 2000) and secular voters together formed 51% of the electorate in 2012; and will reach a politically critical 63% next year.

And each of these groups is giving Clinton, or whoever emerges as the Democratic candidate for the 2016 White House race, at least a two-to-one advantage over a Republican party whose brand has been badly tarnished.

The country today, particularly the bigger urban centres, is being dramatically remade by the hi-tech, internet, big data and energy revolutions. Just as important are the revolutions in migration, the family, gender roles and religion. Together these revolutions are producing seismic and accelerating changes to the economy, culture and politics – which is what animates so many Republican candidates. America is emerging as racially blended, immigrant, multinational, multicultural and multilingual – a diversity that is ever more central to its political identity. We are not talking here about trends, but profound demographic changes accompanied by a dramatic shift in values. They have produced a country where racial minorities form 38% of the population, and 15% of new marriages are interracial. One in five global migrants end up in the US, and thus nearly 40% of the populations of New York and Los Angeles are foreign born, as are 50% of Silicon Valley’s engineers and more than half of US Nobel laureates.

Since 2011 a majority of Americans have been living in unmarried households, and a diversity of family types – from same-sex marriages and cohabitation to remarriage after divorce, delayed child-rearing, childlessness and those who never marry – is now accepted. Millennials are in fact marrying later and having few children, while working class women are avoiding marriage with working class men who are no longer assured of secure, decent-paying manufacturing jobs. With the traditional male breadwinner role nearly extinct, three-quarters of women are now in the labour force and two-thirds are the principal or joint breadwinner. The result: single women will form a quarter of the electorate in 2016. Religious observance meanwhile has plummeted across all religious denominations, with the exception of white evangelicals. People who define themselves as secular now outnumber mainline Protestants.

The political landscape is also being reshaped by a reversal of the historic pattern of mobility and home ownership. The middle class ladder used to take every generation and new wave of immigrants from city centres to suburbs to the exurbs. But in the past decade cities, with their falling crime rates, have attracted more people – particularly retiring baby boomers – than suburbs, and real estate values in metropolitan areas have risen faster than elsewhere and created more jobs. At the same time, only half of millennials have a driver’s licence, the right of passage for prior generations.

Not only are baby boomers now outnumbered by millennials – but also the groups could not be more different: 66% of boomers are married, 72% are white and their income is $13,904 above the national median; over 40% of millennials are racial minorities, 60% are single and three-quarters believe America’s diversity of race, ethnicity and language makes the country stronger.

All this social disruption has taken place at remarkable speed: the political centre of gravity has in effect swung from right to centre in under a decade. When Barack Obama first ran for the White House in 2008, 46% of Americans described themselves as conservative, but that has fallen to 37% now. In some national polls, the number of American liberals equals the number of conservatives. Gallup marked 2015 as the year when cultural attitudes reached a significant benchmark: when 60-70% of the country said gay and lesbian relations, having a baby outside marriage or sex between unmarried women and men were all “morally acceptable”.

The shift marked by these polls reflects the new American majority and explains why next year’s election will prove shattering and divisive for the Republican party, even if it retains its strongholds in the House of Representatives and states.

It also explains why, since 2004, Republicans have been engaged in a ferocious counter-revolution to stop these new and expanding demographic groups from coalescing to form a politically coherent bloc capable of governing successfully. The tactic adopted by Karl Rove, George W Bush’s election strategist, and other social conservatives was to forsake “big tent Republicanism” and the swing voter. Instead of an earlier emphasis on “compassion” or the “Latino vote”, they made politics a battle for social and cultural values – “American values” – that would raise the stakes and engage those who leaned furthest to the right, particularly evangelicals and the religiously observant. Rove’s ambition was to create a permanent Republican majority, and he saw “moral” issues such as opposition to gay marriage as the most powerful force in politics. Indeed, he used them to galvanise enough support to get Bush re-elected in November 2004.

But the culture war ignited by Rove is a fire that requires ever more toxic fuel – it only works by raising fears of the moral and social Armageddon that would follow a Democratic victory.

The Republicans have, of course, won big numbers of seats at state level and in off-year elections in the past decade. However, their conservative supporters, motivated by moral purpose, are now angry that Republican leaders have failed to stop Obama, particularly as the country, as they see it, tips into global and economic oblivion.

On the other hand, this intensifying battle for values has also left the Republicans with the oldest, most rural, most religiously observant, and most likely to be married white voters in the country. These trends have pushed states with large, growing metropolitan centres, such as Florida, Virginia and Colorado, over the blue Democratic wall, creating formidable odds against Republicans winning the electoral college majority needed to win the presidency.

Encamped in the 20 states of the south, the Appalachian valley, parts of the plains states and Mountain West, conservatives have waged their culture wars to great effect. But those states account for only 25% of the voters. Success here turns Donald Trump, Ben Carson and Ted Cruz into plausible candidates – but not plausible presidents in a country that is past the new electoral tipping point. America will get to send that message 12 months from now.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/05/america-conservative-us-2016-white-house


You may say that Stan Greenberg is a well-known pollster for the Democrats so his anlysis are obviously biased. Fair enough. But even Bill O'Reilly -who cannot be accused of having a democratic bias- said the same things about the changing demographics, about 18 monthes ago during Fox News coverage of the 2012 presidential election :

So, the country is changing, the dmographics are moving but the GOP keeps still.
Minorities are growing but republicans still attack blacks and latinos,
There are now more millenials than baby-boomers but republicans still despise millenials
Secular voters are each day more numerous but republicans can't stop using Bible-thumping tactics.
Republicans have lost the women's vote long ago (and the controversies about abortion after remarks from Todd Akin and some other republicans terribly hurted Romney on women's vote) but they still reject womans' right policies such as equal pay, abortion, contraception, planned parenthood, etc.

After the loss of the 2012, the GOP seemed to have diagnosed what caused them to lose and they seemed to have learned from that defeat. It seems now they haven't learned anything fro mthat defeat 'cause right now the GOP is making the exact opposite of what they should do to turn the tables. They are just making the same mistakes they did two years ago and they are making them bigger, worst.

The GOP is digging its own grave.
 

Supafly

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mind your own fucked up country.

Not happening. The USA are far too important to leave them to you amateurs.

You are damned frustrated, and it's understandable. But unless you get your banana republic cleaned up, we will point out the shit that is goin' down.

 
If we're a banana republic it's because of papa doc we have for president and those who support him.

ooh that's racist.

fuck you. where's your sister supa? Make sure she's covered up.
 

Supafly

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If we're a banana republic it's because of papa doc we have for president and those who support him.

ooh that's racist.

fuck you. where's your sister supa? Make sure she's covered up.

Take another big shot of the shit you're getting hammered with.

This nice rant about Obama is amusing, if incorrect.
 
Demographics are changing is code for we are fundamentally changing the ethnic makeup of this country through open borders.

For the longest time, even conservatives accepted it as inevitable but then the reasons for the change were exposed and millions of Americans have experienced an epiphany.

Immigration, illegals and open borders are the driving force for the Trump candidacy and a couple of others. This will energize people to vote this time around that were indiffernt to the election process. And is the number one issue for millions of Americans.

The left almost pulled it off. We're going to put a stop to the insanity in 2016. Especially when people have used the " changing demographics" narrative to rub our noses in it
 
the fundamental ethnic make-up of america was changed through open, or subsequently relaxed, borders for hundreds of years


spaniards, british, french, germans, irish, italian etc etc


ask the native americans if they think that was all a positive result


it appears that some people hate that the country looks a bit different to what it was in their childhood - and while i don't agree, i can still understand that

as i get older i find myself saying things i never thought i would - you know "the kids of today are crazy", "pop music now is crap" etc



but

whether not one further immigrant comes in from today, these demographic changes, and their effects are there to stay, it's not just immigration

non-whites tend to have larger families - and the percentage of younger people in america who aren't white is, obviously, much higher than in the 65+ age group, for instance
 
the fundamental ethnic make-up of america was changed through open, or subsequently relaxed, borders for hundreds of years


spaniards, british, french, germans, irish, italian etc etc


ask the native americans if they think that was all a positive result


it appears that some people hate that the country looks a bit different to what it was in their childhood - and while i don't agree, i can still understand that

as i get older i find myself saying things i never thought i would - you know "the kids of today are crazy", "pop music now is crap" etc



but

whether not one further immigrant comes in from today, these demographic changes, and their effects are there to stay, it's not just immigration

non-whites tend to have larger families - and the percentage of younger people in america who aren't white is, obviously, much higher than in the 65+ age group, for instance

Ok, I danced around this but I will go ahead and say it. My daughter is Hispanic,black and white. Her mother is Dominican. I have made my contribution to the changing ethnic makeup of this country

I'm not that old. I attended school with, blacks, Asians , Hispanics and Turks. My best friend in 6th grade was a British kid named John that moved here from Birmingham England because his dad was transferred here. I thought he spoke funny and we became great friends.

All of the kids that I went to school with were English speaking at least in school and came here legally. The common language made for a more cohesive learning experience.. My problem is assimilation, language. Your culture should be understood and cherished.

But it does not mean that illegals or those that purposely overstay their visas should be counted into the American equation or be counted for the purpose of the electoral college.

If you came here legally, you're as American as I am, no matter your skin color.

I am also not for mass deportations. But we need to have an accurate count of those here and stop the bleeding.

If the demographics change on an even playing field. We can all live with that.
 
If you came here legally, you're as American as I am, no matter your skin color.

I am also not for mass deportations. But we need to have an accurate count of those here and stop the bleeding.

If the demographics change on an even playing field. We can all live with that.


cool, ok


as lib as i am, i'm not in favour of uncontrolled illegal immigration either, whether that's in the uk or us
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Ok, I danced around this but I will go ahead and say it. My daughter is Hispanic,black and white. Her mother is Dominican. I have made my contribution to the changing ethnic makeup of this country

I'm not that old. I attended school with, blacks, Asians , Hispanics and Turks. My best friend in 6th grade was a British kid named John that moved here from Birmingham England because his dad was transferred here. I thought he spoke funny and we became great friends.

All of the kids that I went to school with were English speaking at least in school and came here legally. The common language made for a more cohesive learning experience.. My problem is assimilation, language. Your culture should be understood and cherished.

But it does not mean that illegals or those that purposely overstay their visas should be counted into the American equation or be counted for the purpose of the electoral college.

If you came here legally, you're as American as I am, no matter your skin color.

I am also not for mass deportations. But we need to have an accurate count of those here and stop the bleeding.

If the demographics change on an even playing field. We can all live with that.

Not to get too personal, just curiosity on my part, why aren't you and her mother still together? If that's out of bounds just tell me to mind my own fucked up country.
 
Not to get too personal, just curiosity on my part, why aren't you and her mother still together? If that's out of bounds just tell me to mind my own fucked up country.

The mother of my daughter is a different woman than the woman that you are thinking about who is also Dominican. My ex came to the United States at age 4. Her dad was a major league baseball player.
We're not together any longer. Let's just say Dominicanas are notorious for their tempers.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
The mother of my daughter is a different woman than the woman that you are thinking about who is also Dominican. My ex came to the United States at age 4. Her dad was a major league baseball player.
We're not together any longer. Let's just say Dominicanas are notorious for their tempers.

My brother is married to a a woman from the Philippines and when they come back to Texas they've encountered some racism, of course they think she's Mexican, but it's still the same nastiness. Sorry to get too personal, just the sociologist part of me being nosy!
 
Demographics are changing is code for we are fundamentally changing the ethnic makeup of this country
It's not only a matter of ethnicity, it's also a change of generation (there is now more millenials than baby-boomers) and a change of spiritual background (the percentage of secular people/aatheists among the general population is growing fast).

For the longest time, even conservatives accepted it as inevitable but then the reasons for the change were exposed and millions of Americans have experienced an epiphany.

Immigration, illegals and open borders are the driving force for the Trump candidacy and a couple of others. This will energize people to vote this time around that were indiffernt to the election process. And is the number one issue for millions of Americans.
There are also a large number of people who do not feel like this, who reject candidate balming immigration for every issue the country is experiencing. And these people are gonna make their voice heard, they are gonna vote against those candidates.
Those candidates and their supporters are sure they are gonna win but they are gonna experience a great spanking, just like they did in 2012.
 
It's not only a matter of ethnicity, it's also a change of generation (there is now more millenials than baby-boomers) and a change of spiritual background (the percentage of secular people/aatheists among the general population is growing fast).

There are also a large number of people who do not feel like this, who reject candidate balming immigration for every issue the country is experiencing. And these people are gonna make their voice heard, they are gonna vote against those candidates.
Those candidates and their supporters are sure they are gonna win but they are gonna experience a great spanking, just like they did in 2012.

I talk to American voters everyday. I never felt confident Romney would win in 2012 but I am liking our chances this time. All the rest of your post is just wishful thinking. I wish the election were tomorrow.
 
Tomorrow, next week, next years, it wouldn't change the fact that whoever the the Republican candidate will be, he'll lose.

Be happy to have some time to mentally prepare yourself to get disappointed.
 
Tomorrow, next week, next years, it wouldn't change the fact that whoever the the Republican candidate will be, he'll lose.

Be happy to have some time to mentally prepare yourself to get disappointed.

Bookmarked.

Possible new sig line November 8, 2016.
 
Demographics are changing is code for we are fundamentally changing the ethnic makeup of this country through open borders.

For the longest time, even conservatives accepted it as inevitable but then the reasons for the change were exposed and millions of Americans have experienced an epiphany.

Immigration, illegals and open borders are the driving force for the Trump candidacy and a couple of others. This will energize people to vote this time around that were indiffernt to the election process. And is the number one issue for millions of Americans.

The left almost pulled it off. We're going to put a stop to the insanity in 2016. Especially when people have used the " changing demographics" narrative to rub our noses in it

Say what????????????????
 
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/05/america-conservative-us-2016-white-house


You may say that Stan Greenberg is a well-known pollster for the Democrats so his anlysis are obviously biased. Fair enough. But even Bill O'Reilly -who cannot be accused of having a democratic bias- said the same things about the changing demographics, about 18 monthes ago during Fox News coverage of the 2012 presidential election :

So, the country is changing, the dmographics are moving but the GOP keeps still.
Minorities are growing but republicans still attack blacks and latinos,
There are now more millenials than baby-boomers but republicans still despise millenials
Secular voters are each day more numerous but republicans can't stop using Bible-thumping tactics.
Republicans have lost the women's vote long ago (and the controversies about abortion after remarks from Todd Akin and some other republicans terribly hurted Romney on women's vote) but they still reject womans' right policies such as equal pay, abortion, contraception, planned parenthood, etc.

After the loss of the 2012, the GOP seemed to have diagnosed what caused them to lose and they seemed to have learned from that defeat. It seems now they haven't learned anything fro mthat defeat 'cause right now the GOP is making the exact opposite of what they should do to turn the tables. They are just making the same mistakes they did two years ago and they are making them bigger, worst.

The GOP is digging its own grave.

The GOP is so screwed!!!!!!1111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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