Custom PC?

I was just wondering how people on here have built their PCs.

Mine is:

Intel Q6600 2.4 Quad core CPU
4 GB of DDR2 800
Asus Mobo
620 MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS
480GB Sata HDD
 
I always build mine. My latest:

AMD64 X2 6400+
ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Mobo
4GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 RAM
nVida GeForce 8800 GTX
120GB WD Raptor SATA HDD
Creative SB Fatal1ty X-FI SC
Windows Vista Home Premium
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
I wish I could afford to build a high end gaming PC
 
I've always self-assembled my PCs ...

I've always self-assembled my PCs since the original PC/XT components became available.

One thing I've made standard over the last decade is a 3Ware ATA controller for at least RAID-1 (redundancy).
It's worth the extra $100 or so (2-channel) in my time to avoid having to restore/reload (although I still do backups, as one should).
Today the basic software RAID-1 that comes with a driver disk for the "dumb" ATA channels on a mainboard (marketing-wise called "hardware" RAID when it's not) makes it easy.

My wife and I both have dual-core desktops, nVidia 8800 series cards, 4GiB of RAM and dual-SATA drives in RAID-1.
They all run Linux by default, Windows XP for only a few games (although a lot of what we play have native Linux versions, or WINE executes them well).
That has been their configuration for the past 9-12 months or so, all but the video card for over a year.

The enclosures and power supplies were free or less than half-price after rebates (including some quality PS', not just cheap ones).
I don't bother with anything but single PCIe channel on inexpensive MicroATX mainboards, for cost and portability.
By the time a dual-PCIe option becomes affordable, you can buy a single PCIe card that has the same juice.

My primary computer notebook is a 17" notebook with a nVidia 8800M series, 4GiB of RAM and, also, dual-SATA drives in RAID-1.
Again, I don't like to deal with a lost disk, especially not when I'm travelling, so even my notebook is a 17" with dual-SATA drives internally doing RAID-1.

I'm actually moving towards 2.5" drives in desktops and servers now, for shock/thermal tolerance as well as size/power/portability (fit 24 drives in an ATX chassis, 16 in MicroATX).
Some are recycled 5,400-7,200 drives from notebooks that have been upgraded, but I also have a few 10,000rpm "server" class 2.5" drives.
I don't think I'll ever splurge for the 15,000rpm 2.5" disks, just too expensive for not that much gain (for a home server).
 
How did I build my Personal Courtesan?

Well, first I went to Thailand (the ladies are cheaper there). And once I found the woman I wanted I made a deal with her 'agency'. Then I paid for her breast implants and nosejob. Then I brought her home after the two surgeries and...

ohhh, you mean Personal Computer.

nevermind
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I've had the same computer for almost 12 years now and it works perfectly fine. I built mine by calling Dell and saying "I want a computer".
 
Umm ... near "high-end" starts around $400 ...

I wish I could afford to build a high end gaming PC
Ummm ...

$100 for a decent, dual-core Intel or AMD
$100 for a GeForce 8800GT 512MiB (after rebate)
$50 for a decent, MicroATX mainboard
$50 for 2x2GiB DDR2-800/PC2-6400 RAM (after rebate)
$50 for a 320GB SATA hard drive
$50 for an enclosure and ATX 2.0 PS w/6-pin PCIe connector
$20 for a LG/Samsung SuperMulti DVD-R/RW/RAM/+R/+RW drive

Just over $400, and well under $500 after adding mount/keyboard and a few other goodies. The GeForce 8800GT 512MiB will get you within about 25% of the top performance of any single video card nowdays (without going SLI, which is out-dated in 9 months anyway).

LCDs are dirt cheap now, as low as nearly $100 after rebate for a 19", 22" about $50 more when you find a deal. Heck, the Soyo 24" 2ms 1000:1 contract (1920x1200) is regularly under $250 with coupon at Stapes/OfficeMax/OfficeDepot, and basically the same TN panel as in many $300-400 LCDs. No, these 6-bit TN panels aren't not going to have the best "color range" to do photo editing on, but they are more than good for gaming (TN panels usually have fast refresh times).
 
I was just wondering how people on here have built their PCs.

Mine is:

Intel Q6600 2.4 Quad core CPU
4 GB of DDR2 800
Asus Mobo
620 MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS
480GB Sata HDD

I have the same core 2 quad chip and board you do, got it for $260 at Frys.
$30 on a case, 100 for a 500GB sata hd, dual sata dvd burners, and i already had 20 inch flat screen. another 60 for 4 GB of Ram.

Takes 30 minutes to put it together, its cheap to build nice systems these days.
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
I've had the same computer for almost 12 years now and it works perfectly fine. I built mine by calling Dell and saying "I want a computer".

12 years :eek:
I usually get a new one every 5 years or so. They just get so damn slow with all the shit I've got on the harddrive etc...

Ummm ...

$100 for a decent, dual-core Intel or AMD
$100 for a GeForce 8800GT 512MiB (after rebate)
$50 for a decent, MicroATX mainboard
$50 for 2x2GiB DDR2-800/PC2-6400 RAM (after rebate)
$50 for a 320GB SATA hard drive
$50 for an enclosure and ATX 2.0 PS w/6-pin PCIe connector
$20 for a LG/Samsung SuperMulti DVD-R/RW/RAM/+R/+RW drive

I should have added as well as technical knowledge to build said gaming pc. I dunno what most of the technical mumbo jumbo is.
 
I'm still stuck with my last build, it was high end 5 years ago and should have been replaced ages back but I got married and had a kid. In that time my high priced video card and motherboard both shit themselves and have been replaced with cheap versions. Maybe I can afford another decent computer in 2054.
 

Torre82

Moderator \ Jannie
Staff member
you can buy some incredibly cheap external hard drives these days

Hard drives dont contribute to the operation of the hardware performance wise in any true way except that in which the operating system relays the data to you as a user.

Translation: Format and reinstall will bring you back to 100% speed.

EVERYTHING YOU INSTALL, EVERYWHERE YOU BROWSE... adds a few chips onto the pile. Now after a year, that's a lotta chips. The computer has to l.. ahem, the hard drive has to look through all those chips everytime it wants to find just one or two of 'em. A registry will only expand, the partition will only get fragmented.. and there is only downhill to go from 100%.

Still, a PC is nigh useless after five years. Tech marches on with or without our cooperation. Hell, flash 9 is proving that to me all the time.
 
Hard drives dont contribute to the operation of the hardware performance wise in any true way except that in which the operating system relays the data to you as a user.
I disagree.

Response time of a 5,400 v. 7,200 v. 10,000 v. 15,000 can make a hell of a difference.
Data transfer rate of increased densities (larger drives) can also make a hell of a difference too.

Sure, once the data is read into memory, it is much faster to access by several orders of magnitude.
But many applications are large enough that it can take tens of seconds to launch them, depending on their size.

The next generation of hybrid hard drives will add EEPROM ("flash") that will read-only cache most used files.
Despite popular belief, EEPROM -- the most common Solid State Device (SSD) technology -- is usually slower at writes, at cells fail much sooner than disk.
But it makes an outstanding fast and reliable media for reads, hence the coming hybrid designs.

Translation: Format and reinstall will bring you back to 100% speed.
This is a common, but often incorrect, assumption.
Although there are some aspects to Windows that benefit from a full re-install, I've never seen this from a "general computing" aspect.

Sure, Windows -- because it lumps everything into one filesystem -- fragments like a bitch.
And Windows causes all sorts of non-sense to be integrated into its core system.
Those of themselves increase load times and performance issues.
But if you avoid them, even Windows can be tamed.

EVERYTHING YOU INSTALL, EVERYWHERE YOU BROWSE... adds a few chips onto the pile.
Not true, if you know what you're doing.

Merely installing software does not cause this, although installing software that does into the OS does.
Avoiding such software, especially using open source software, generally prevents this non-sense.

Firefox + Noscript prevents a lot of this non-sense at the browser, whereby you only enable scripts for sites you trust.

Now after a year, that's a lotta chips. The computer has to l.. ahem, the hard drive has to look through all those chips everytime it wants to find just one or two of 'em.
Huh? A hard drive is well indexed, and even NTFS' aged FAT approach is decent on performance.
De-fragmentation can address non-contiguous files.
Storage on the hard drive is rarely the issue, although older hard drives can have slower latency/transfer compared to newer ones.

I think you're confusing total storage with run-time aspects.
Your total storage usage does not affect your run-time performance, although the system loading non-sense does.

A registry will only expand, the partition will only get fragmented.. and there is only downhill to go from 100%.
The registry can be tamed to a point, and avoiding programs that use it or only use it proper, are a good way.

Still, a PC is nigh useless after five years. Tech marches on with or without our cooperation. Hell, flash 9 is proving that to me all the time.
Well, buggy web sites are that problem, and Flash loads a lot of crap.
 
you can buy some incredibly cheap external hard drives these days
Unfortunately USB 2.0 and FireWire are much slower than an internal ATA channel.

FireWire is theoretically 400-800Mbps, that's 40-80MBps at common 10/8 encoding, although I've never seen a FireWire drive sustain more than 30MBps.
USB 2.0 is theoretically 480Mbps, that's 48MBps at common 10/8 encoding, although I've never seen a USB 2.0 drive sustain more than 25MBps.

Most ATA hard drives of 160-320GB/platter can do 60-100MBps these days.
Most SATA channel implementations are also interconnected on a dedicated peripheral bus, so they don't have to share a legacy PCI connection (like most other I/O).

So instead, you should buy a new one, and transfer all data to the new drive.
Although the superstores try to sell you a costly commercial program to do such, there are plenty of open source, graphical boot migration CDs.

One I use regularly is the GParted Live CD (although it's more technical in terminology):
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php

There is also the PartMagic Live CD and many others, some very noob-friendly.
Typically you just 1) download the ISO, 2) record it to a CD and 3) boot that CD

Once the CD boots, you just tell it to copy everyone from one disk to another, and you can even expand each filesystem to use more of the new, bigger disk.
 

Torre82

Moderator \ Jannie
Staff member
I am the professor of beautiful round tits.

Well yes, drive speed is definitely the final word on performance but for someone who just calls up Dell and says they want a comp today.. they're gonna get budget drives. 7,200 rpm is my guess.

As far as RAM readings go, they're not so keen on adding a few extra gigs of system RAM in, but they'll *upgrade* (hah) your 250 gb drive to 320 for only 60$ or as low as: 7$ extra per month! I dont believe legz is solely browsing for business, nor is he constantly watching his disk usage and playing it safe like you might be. He's an average 'puter user who probably installs a few demo games here and there, downloads music'n'movies and couldnt tell you what tracks are leftover in the registry or if there's a few leftover directories and/or .dll's laying dormant.

He said that he likes switching comps out every 5 years because they get too slowed down. That screams (to me at least) no preventative nor corrective measures are being taken to regain any efficiency. The oft defragment is nice. Time consuming.

The yearly reformat makes a difference. Every time you add 100 extra lines of registry text, or fragment it just a little bit more.. that can add a millisecond or five to your total loading time for this app, this game, or this OS. (and adding a game to your system these days usually thrashes both with all the extra shit they add in.) Extra shit.. direct X, EAX audio drivers, nVidia firmware, soundcard updates, the patchers for the newer games, and the security-enabled Steam type games..

Open source software? Productivity type stuff in particular perhaps? Well yeah. Ask legz how often he uses OpenOffice, adobe photoshop or dreamweaver in comparison to firefox, media player classic or GTA:San Andreas (tiny cached files, memory leaks and all manner of chaos)

As far as chips in the pile, slowing everything down.. it's all that nonsense out there that I was referring to. Things that integrate into the OS (unnecessarily and forcefully bloating it) like all these startup apps that are unnecessary these days. Antivirus, media managers, filetype association watchdogs, quicklaunchers and various multimedia apps hiding as a rundll32 that are semi necessary. (Soundcards, vid-cards, etc)
 
The oft defragment is nice. Time consuming.
And totally unnecessary, but that's due to how Windows "lumps everything in one filesystem," as well as how NTFS operates.

You should never design an OS that puts binaries, temporary and user files on the same filesystem.
Or if you're going to do such, design the filesystem with an extents-based allocation, so it addresses some of that (although temporary files would still kill its performance).

The yearly reformat makes a difference.
On Windows, it depends, and it can be very much avoided.
On non-Windows, rarely.

About the only thing that gets non-contiguous on my systems are my mbox files (e-mail).
I really need to switch to something that uses maildir (long story).

Everything else is fairly quick.

Every time you add 100 extra lines of registry text, or fragment it just a little bit more.
The registry is largely a binary tree.
Other than boot-time load, it really doesn't get bogged down, performance-wise.

I think you're thinking of non-sense that attaches itself to system operations.
That's a much greater issue.

that can add a millisecond or five to your total loading time for this app, this game, or this OS.
(and adding a game to your system these days usually thrashes both with all the extra shit they add in.)
Extra shit.. direct X, EAX audio drivers, nVidia firmware, soundcard updates, the patchers for the newer games, and the security-enabled Steam type games.
Again, if they are attaching themselves to system operations, yes.

Open source software? Productivity type stuff in particular perhaps?
There are some rather interesting games, utilities, etc...
I use 7-zip instead of WinZip and other junk.
I use several other pieces as well.

Well yeah. Ask legz how often he uses OpenOffice, adobe photoshop or dreamweaver in comparison to firefox, media player classic or GTA:San Andreas (tiny cached files, memory leaks and all manner of chaos)
Firefox, with the NoScript add-on, can severely cut down on the BS that gets into your system.

As far as chips in the pile, slowing everything down.. it's all that nonsense out there that I was referring to.
Things that integrate into the OS (unnecessarily and forcefully bloating it) like all these startup apps that are unnecessary these days.
Agreed. Even Symantec is all but admitted that Norton Anti-Virus is a rootkit itself. ;)

Antivirus, media managers, filetype association watchdogs, quicklaunchers and various multimedia apps hiding as a rundll32 that are semi necessary. (Soundcards, vid-cards, etc)
Ironically, all of those functions are adding redundant capabilities.

Going MacOS X really makes a lot more sense or, if you're technically savvy, Linux is completely manageable via GUI as well.
Of course, you start to cut into compatibility, but at least you don't have the "driver in-fighting" and "added crap bloat" from vendors.

And, BTW ...
"I am the professor of beautiful round tits."
No, read my sig ...
"Wide, full, hanging breasts make me hard; but powerful thighs with full, fanging hips holding up the extremely curved hourglass centerpiece make me unload"
 

Torre82

Moderator \ Jannie
Staff member
And, BTW ...
"I am the professor of beautiful round tits."
No, read my sig ...
"Wide, full, hanging breasts make me hard; but powerful thighs with full, fanging hips holding up the extremely curved hourglass centerpiece make me unload"

Hah, you caught it! ;)

Indeed. And every time I read the words cum-siphoning hips I cant help but wonder how (incredibly?) hot your wife is.

But I restrain my curiosity. I have plenty to wank off to already and wouldnt want to impose on her good, curvy graces.
 
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