Bite the bullet - solutions for mass shootings

[GodsEmbryo]

Personally I find every thread about guns boring because it's always the same regurgitation of pro or con arguments about, well, guns and the right to own them. Or in a worst case a (personal) standoff between left and right. Usually posts are like "can't touch this" versus "you can't do that". Well, the question remains: what CAN you do? Although I believe everyone condemns mass shootings I never hear someone explain a possible solution for this problem whether it's in the US or in Europe.

So what is your solution to tackle this problem? What CAN be done?

 

[Supafly]

Heavily enforce a new reguklation that allows only single-shot firearms for non-military or law-enforcement personnel.

Offer sizeable rewards on information on people who brake this new laws. In case of criminals, throw in a small pardon.

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Heavily enforce a new reguklation that allows only single-shot firearms for non-military or law-enforcement personnel.

Offer sizeable rewards on information on people who brake this new laws. In case of criminals, throw in a small pardon.

Um.....
No......

 

[Johan]

We're pro gun-control, not gun-ban.

All we what is some rules for the militia to be well regulated :
- Mandatory background checks (criminal and psychological) for any gun sale
- Purchase of guns and ammos banned for every person who has been diagnosed with mental issues, found guilty of a violent crime (any crime involving physical violence or the use of any weapon or any object used as a weapon) or has is name on the CIA's terrorist watch-list. That ban could be lifted once the person has been cleared by psychologists or one she's no longer on the list (but violent criminals will be banned from purchasing guns and ammos for life).
- Any person woh'sbeen diagnosed with mental issues, found guilty of a violent crime (any crime involving physical violence or the use of any weapon or any object used as a weapon) or has is name on the CIA's terrorist watch-list banned from carrying guns. That ban could be lifted once the person has been cleared by psychologists or one she's no longer on the list (but violent criminals will be banned from carrying guns for life).
- Armor piercing ammos, high capacity magazines, fully-automatic weapons and bump-stocks banned to use, carry and sell.

 

[Will E Worm]

So what is your solution to tackle this problem? What CAN be done?

Death penalty... Even though crazy people will still do what they want.

Heavily enforce a new reguklation that allows only single-shot firearms for non-military or law-enforcement personnel.

Offer sizeable rewards on information on people who brake this new laws. In case of criminals, throw in a small pardon.

No. We have weapons to protect freedom, freedom of speech and to protect against tyranny and invasion.

We're pro gun-control, not gun-ban.

You're pro-infringement.

 

[Will E Worm]

The Puckle Machine Gun and the Second Amendment

The Puckle machine gun was created in 1718, 73 years before the Second Amendment.

Making the argument that the Founding Fathers couldn't forsee firearms other than the musket invalid.

 

[Johan]

You're pro-infringement.

I'm pro well-regulated militia

 

[Elwood70]

We're pro gun-control, not gun-ban.

That's what they all say - at the beginning.

There's valid points in the rest of it.

 

[GodsEmbryo]

Um.....
No......

Why wouldn't this be a solution for you? A reason I hear for owning guns is to be able to defend yourself against (for example) robbers and tresspassers. Do you really need heavy guns for that?

- Purchase of guns and ammos banned for every person who has been diagnosed with mental issues [...]
That ban could be lifted once the person has been cleared by psychologists [...]
- Any person woh'sbeen diagnosed with mental issues [...]

Would there be a timeframe for that? For example once? Every x years?

Death penalty... Even though crazy people will still do what they want.

Would that be enough? I'm not convinced that a shooting like in Vegas could be prevented as the shooter is prepared to kill himself in the process

No. We have weapons to protect freedom, freedom of speech and to protect against tyranny and invasion.

Invasion? Do you distrust your military forces (described as the most powerful in the world, largest budget, modern weapons...) so much they couldn't handle an invasion, yet regular farmer Fred and nurse Nyomi would be able to do so?

Thank you Supa, Johan and Worm for an attempt. I'm curious for other reactions

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

I refuse to change anything in my world because of crazy/unhinged idiots.
Why should My way of life be infringed upon???
If you run the world with this thought process where does it stop???
Pretty soon you won’t leave the house.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Yeah, that’s what we need, left wing mental health types deciding who gets to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.

At least half of the people that commit gun crimes don’t have any priors or a history of mental illness or treatment.

 

[GodsEmbryo]

I refuse to change anything in my world because of crazy/unhinged idiots.
Why should My way of life be infringed upon???
If you run the world with this thought process where does it stop???
Pretty soon you won’t leave the house.

That sounds like circular reasoning to me but lets leave that aside. How would you prevent these crazy/unhinged idiots from getting guns and or prevent mass shootings?
I'm not looking for who is 'right' or 'wrong' or why somebody else's idea can't work but what in your opinion can work. What is the solution?

How about you BC, any ideas?

 

[Jack Davenport]

That sounds like circular reasoning to me but lets leave that aside. How would you prevent these crazy/unhinged idiots from getting guns and or prevent mass shootings?
I'm not looking for who is 'right' or 'wrong' or why somebody else's idea can't work but what in your opinion can work. What is the solution?

How about you BC, any ideas?

Mandatory 10 year federal offense for anyone possessing an illegally obtained firearm. 20 year mandatory for a firearm in the possession of a felon.

 

[Jack Davenport]

This isn’t Minority Report: you can’t punish people for crimes they haven’t committed. However, if someone expresses an urge to harm others and makes that known to others or a mental health professional they should be denied access to firearms.

 

[Johan]

- Purchase of guns and ammos banned for every person who has been diagnosed with mental issues [...]
That ban could be lifted once the person has been cleared by psychologists [...]
- Any person woh'sbeen diagnosed with mental issues [...]

Would there be a timeframe for that? For example once? Every x years?

I'd say a 3 years ban, then the person could go through a psychological examination anytime that would determine wether or not she's "fit" to buy, carry and use guns. But the pschologist would be the one transmitting the results that would clear the person and after any "not fit" result, all "fit" results within the next 3 monthes would be considered null and void

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

I don't have any intelligent solutions to stop mass shootings. This thread is also discussing gun control. For those of you on the more pro-gun control side that would strictly regulate what type of gun a citizen could own I would assume you would want law enforcement to enforce the laws you support. How would you crack down on cities like Chicago that have gang pockets full of guns with gang members who would thumb their nose at your laws? Would you send a massive amount of law enforcement and put a good chunk of that community to live years in cages. You know a high percentage of those people you arrest would be black and Hispanic, right? How then would you deal with the civil rights groups who claim you are targeting and profiling minorities when in reality you are only enforcing the law and many of the law breakers just happen to be minorities? I would especially like the opinion of our French and German friends here who have expressed their opinions about a large number of our police officers being racist for what they are already doing on the job.

 

[Johan]

I'd say a 3 years ban, then the person could go through a psychological examination anytime that would determine wether or not she's "fit" to buy, carry and use guns. But the pschologist would be the one transmitting the results that would clear the person and after any "not fit" result, all "fit" results within the next 3 monthes would be considered null and void

And, if someone is declare "fit" and happens to commit a crime involving a gun within the next year, the pshychologist who would have declared that person "fit" would endure some penalty (althought I'm not sure about about what kind of penalty)

 

[Jack Davenport]

And, if someone is declare "fit" and happens to commit a crime involving a gun within the next year, the pshychologist who would have declared that person "fit" would endure some penalty (althought I'm not sure about about what kind of penalty)

What do you suggest we do with Muslim clerics that mentor future jihadists?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I don't have any intelligent solutions to stop mass shootings. This thread is also discussing gun control. For those of you on the more pro-gun control side that would strictly regulate what type of gun a citizen could own I would assume you would want law enforcement to enforce the laws you support. How would you crack down on cities like Chicago that have gang pockets full of guns with gang members who would thumb their nose at your laws? Would you send a massive amount of law enforcement and put a good chunk of that community to live years in cages. You know a high percentage of those people you arrest would be black and Hispanic, right? How then would you deal with the civil rights groups who claim you are targeting and profiling minorities when in reality you are only enforcing the law and many of the law breakers just happen to be minorities? I would especially like the opinion of our French and German friends here who have expressed their opinions about a large number of our police officers being racist for what they are already doing on the job.

Good point.

Before ANY additional measures are taken, I want to see cities like Chicago, and Los Angeles, that have very strict laws, but very high crime rates to PROVE gun laws work. Lets see some serious change, lets see some criminals face decades of incarceration, lets see some violent offenders put to death. If additional laws are needed, then we can talk about stricter measures.

Violent crime, is violent crime. As a gun owner, I don't want to loose my rights, but it's just as important that innocent people don't get hurt. But I find it real hard to believe that a madman going on a shooting spree, kills more people, then low life criminals, gang members, and your basic lazy shitbag that doesn't feel like he should have to work. Get those murders in check too, and you can do that by enforcing current laws, and not feeling sorry for a fucking guy because he had it hard as a child, and got probation even though it isn't his first offense. Quit plea bargaining down any crime that involves violence, especially a firearm.

I'll tell you this, the person that comes up with the answer to this question, is probably going to win a Nobel prize.

 

[Johan]

What do you suggest we do with Muslim clerics that mentor future jihadists?

That's a different issue but, to answer your question :
1) close the mosque
2) If he is a foreigner, deport the cleric to the country he came from and ban him from ever entering the country again.
If he is a local citizen, put him in a prison cell for 10 years, no parole, no contacts with other prisonners (to prevent him from mentoring jihadis among other prisonners). After 10 years a psychological examination would decide wether or not he could be set free. In case he's involved in any terror crime within the next 3 years, the psychologist that declared him fit to be released would endure some penalty