I am just wondering what the concensus is. If it is offensive, why? If not, why not?
are the 'stars and bars' offensive?
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Yes, very much so.
You have to ask?
Just look at who used it as their banner.The slave owning confederates and then the racists like the klan and southern states opposed to equal rights.It should be banned like the nazi flag was after WW2.It is a symbol of white supremecy and discrimination and racism.
Just look at who used it as their banner.The slave owning confederates and then the racists like the klan and southern states opposed to equal rights.It should be banned like the nazi flag was after WW2.It is a symbol of white supremecy and discrimination and racism.
I thought the CW was about more than just oppressing blacks.
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It's always been cool, hip and self righteous for 60's era influenced white guys to act as if they're offended by the Stars and Bars. :1orglaugh The stars and bars represent an important chapter in the making of America, besides it's a form of free speech.
Why Democrats Avoid Confederate History While Republicans Embrace It :hatsoff:
Why Democrats Avoid Confederate History While Republicans Embrace It :hatsoff:
busenbust
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:thumbsup: what's not to like
http://www.uncoached.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/stars_and_stripes_babes_17.jpg
Yes, it is also about treason.
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but just the same, it's history and it's display is protected under the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.
busenbust
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Yes as far as the US govt is concerned it's a free speech issue just as displaying the nazi flag would be here in the US (unlike germany btw).
But as far as freeones goes the free speech arguement is mute.Freeones is a private entity that can decide it will allow or prohibit whatever it wants,and this offensive flag should be prohibited.
I though about reporting it when I saw him using it as an avatar but figured wtf whatever.But obviously he was trolling for a response and when he didn't get it decided to start this thread.
If racism and white supremecy is what he wants to be associated with, so be it.Although freeones is probably not the best forum for it,there are sites like Stormfront that are better suited for such views.
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whether we like it or not those states had a right to secede:
When the majority of the population of any geographic area is no longer being served by the dominant government, then citizens not only have a right to secede, they have a moral obligation to do so.
There are two major facets to the secession question: 1) morality and 2) self-interest. These two items do not necessarily align with one another. When the U.S. Civil War began, the rationale for war on both sides was highly complicated. The North entered the war for two primary reasons: 1) Keeping the Union from dissolving by force and 2) forcing the issue of slavery. The first reason was immoral and the second was moral. Yet the first reason was Abraham Lincoln’s primary reason for using force to bring the Confederacy back into the Union. Lincoln felt slavery was morally wrong, but he did not declare war because of slavery. He declared war because he believed the federal government should be the highest authority in the land, and that states had no right to self-determination. Abolition was not his primary goal. Lincoln himself said this:
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.
Some Southerners, to be sure, fought in the Civil War to preserve the immoral institution of human slavery, but many enlisted in the war effort because they felt that the North was trying to dictate how they should live.
The outcome of the Civil War was never really in doubt. The North had vast superiority in numbers and had the industrial base. Technology is amoral, and the North held the technology – it was therefore destined for victory. While the end of the war settled the question of slavery, it did not grant equality to blacks. That issue would not be settled for another one hundred years, when the Civil Rights movement of the 1960′s forced Americans to reexamine racial inequalities in their society.
What the Civil War did accomplish was the growth of government, and the mitigation of liberty for all American citizens and residents. From the end of the war until the present day, the Federal government’s role in decision making for all Americans has grown to the point where a large segment of the American population is completely or partially dependent on theft by taxes for its well-being.
emceeemcee
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People who wave that thing around are usually fuckwits.
Especially when they live here in Australia and do it
Especially when they live here in Australia and do it
Your mastery of High School American History is suburb. I’ll respond when I have more time; however one thing is Lincoln did not declare war. Congress declared war after your people attacked a fort owned by the United States of America.
You may think that secession is perfectly legal, but I know of a few of my Ohio brothers who said otherwise.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say most people who don the con. flag or adorn their things with it were not in the confederacy.
I'm not sure what's the pride in donning a loser flag but most likely those using it nowadays who feel that flag is still somehow relevant do so to associate themselves with a perspective.
It's not just a pride in the south thing for them as some commonly contend. There are many things to be proud of about the south. The con flag however, represents an identity with a version of the south that at minimum values white dominance IMO. If true, then even though the "CW" was about more than just slavery it ought to be offensive to some.
As offensive as Nazi and SS flags ought to be to Jews even though Germany, the Nazis, and WWII was about more than just exterminating Jews.
I'm not sure what's the pride in donning a loser flag but most likely those using it nowadays who feel that flag is still somehow relevant do so to associate themselves with a perspective.
It's not just a pride in the south thing for them as some commonly contend. There are many things to be proud of about the south. The con flag however, represents an identity with a version of the south that at minimum values white dominance IMO. If true, then even though the "CW" was about more than just slavery it ought to be offensive to some.
As offensive as Nazi and SS flags ought to be to Jews even though Germany, the Nazis, and WWII was about more than just exterminating Jews.
The USSC ruled secession was unconstitutional.:2 cents:
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You know, you never see intelligent people brandishing the Confederate Flag and arguing about States' rights.
