A rant directed t the "Pay for Your Porn" crowd....

[cheeky1]

All over social media, I see performers and content creators use the buzz phrase, "Pay for your Porn." And I get: the industry is incredibly exploitative, and it pays the performers a pittance compared to the profits that their work generates. there is very little being done in terms of protecting intellectual properties from things like tube sites, which brazenly allows users to post copyrighted content for free, which cuts into the profits of content, making it harder for performers to capitalize off their work.
At the same time, performers need to work side by side with studios to make sure the paid content is easy and accessible for those intending to look for it.
Take my experience today:
I'm trying to find a particular scene. I see it on a particular tube site, I want to confirm the date it was released, to see if it's real or a leak of some sort. I do everything in my power to search for it in its legal platforms. i tried to find a trailer on its official tube channels: nothing. a trailer on its social media platform: nothing. maybe something on the performer's Social links: nope. When I try to find its official page, all I get is links to tube sites posting it illegally. I'm going through through all this just to find the official platform for the content, and I am being bombarded with pirated links! Imagine someone who isn't interested in all that and just trying to get the content. DO these people actually expect me to pony up 40 dollars on the off chance that the scene might be available, when they have done nothing to assure that the scene in question even exists?

 

[The Identifier]

Have you posted a thread on this forum asking for an ID on the scene? I don't know what tube site you are talking about but you can post a screenshot if it is a site that is banned here. And if you know who's in the video; who is it?

It would make it easier to see what you are talking about and see if you are right or wrong.

But it would be wrong to say that the pay for your porn mantra is wrong just because you can't find where this one scene originates from.

 

[John_8581]

All over social media, I see performers and content creators use the buzz phrase, "Pay for your Porn." And I get: the industry is incredibly exploitative, and it pays the performers a pittance compared to the profits that their work generates. there is very little being done in terms of protecting intellectual properties from things like tube sites, which brazenly allows users to post copyrighted content for free, which cuts into the profits of content, making it harder for performers to capitalize off their work.
At the same time, performers need to work side by side with studios to make sure the paid content is easy and accessible for those intending to look for it.
Take my experience today:
I'm trying to find a particular scene. I see it on a particular tube site, I want to confirm the date it was released, to see if it's real or a leak of some sort. I do everything in my power to search for it in its legal platforms. i tried to find a trailer on its official tube channels: nothing. a trailer on its social media platform: nothing. maybe something on the performer's Social links: nope. When I try to find its official page, all I get is links to tube sites posting it illegally. I'm going through through all this just to find the official platform for the content, and I am being bombarded with pirated links! Imagine someone who isn't interested in all that and just trying to get the content. DO these people actually expect me to pony up 40 dollars on the off chance that the scene might be available, when they have done nothing to assure that the scene in question even exists?

@Steve-FreeOnes - I'll try not to make this a Mindgeek dislike post. Just hear me out ...

@cheeky1, it depends on a few things. Was the scene that you are looking for from any of the Mindgeek owned websites, i.e. Brazzers, Digital Playground, Reality Kings, Mofos, Twistys, Babes, Eritos, Property Sex, Mile High Media? You can pretty much give up in trying to find it. If the scene is presently on those websites. Then fine. But most likely, that scene isn't there now. Mindgeek had their webmaster remove hundreds (almost thousands) of scenes from those sites. Because (1) those scenes no longer fit Mindgeek's business plan (2) the scenes no longer work. Mindgeek doesn't remaster or upgrade scenes unlike other studios that do remaster scenes and photo galleries. (3) Mindgeek is the largest owner of free tube sites in the world. If they don't own the tube sites directly, they've created limited liability companies that do. Those LLCs are owned and controlled by Mindgeek. (4) Lastly, with the legal cases resulting from the G-D-P incident, concerning them being named as a defendant in almost all of the human trafficking lawsuits, they've cleaned up Pornhub as well. Scenes by the hundreds of thousands were removed and taken down at Pornhub.

Unfortunately, that affects other content owners too. Other studios. Cease and desist letters fly everywhere because of DMCA constraints. Much of the problems faced with the adult industry today were brought about because of Mindgeek. The bottom line is that they did this to themselves.

 

[Supafly]

@cheeky1 - You are binding together two items that really have very little to do with each other.

Performers and so on in every sort of business need to make some solid money for their work, just like people in sports, painters, or every walk of life. If you work for your rent and so on, you should understand the concept.

That issue about finding that scene has zero to do with the other part.

 

[DrakeM]

I've said it before in other threads and I'll repeat it here. As long as porn companies shell out free samples, I'm mystified as to why anybody would pay for porn. I haven't spent a dime on porn since 1998 and that was for a magazine. I just checked and my current porn stash (all from free samples) contains 171,287 images and 2968 videos.

I don't feel like I'm taking advantage of anybody as long as this business model persists - I'm just playing the game as it currently exists. If everyone was like me you can be damn sure the business model would change, and damn quick.

Now if you feel the need to pay for premium content, longer scenes, particular content, better quality, or whatever, more power to you. However, with the gigantic buffet of free stuff out there, I've never even been tempted to do so.

 

[Pornfan99]

Pre-internet, I used to buy 4-packs of VHS movies (from VideoAge?). I dated a woman most of the 2000s, and would buy 60 (!) packs of condoms from Adam and Eve. They would usually include a free-DVD with my order. I got on A&Es catalog list, and then I'd occasionally buy 4-hour DVDs from them as well. I still buy 16 ounce (!) containers of lube from A&E. They usually run "free shipping" at a threshold of purchases ($40?), so I'll take a look at their discounted DVDs and the 4-hour ones. If there is content I like, I'll buy them to get to the free shipping threshold.

 

[maildude99]

Now if you feel the need to pay for premium content, longer scenes, particular content, better quality, or whatever, more power to you. However, with the gigantic buffet of free stuff out there, I've never even been tempted to do so.

That's the thing: interwebs porn companies rely on the shoddiness of their free product to induce pervs like me to pay the premium prices. The side effect for that---unfortunately for the porn companies---is that it compels many to seek out better and complete scenes from the file sharing sites. So, they go after them. The hypocrisy is, these internet firms that own all of these low-quality vid sites are guilty of exploitation and graft on the level of a slimy film producer. They cry about lost revenue and content piracy, while at the same time they make their money from a genre many find exploitative and abusive. The small guys shooting porn in a hotel room hook up with larger distributors owned by these companies because they are similarly trying to profit from the industry. The point is, from their side, there is no good guy. No virtuous action to protect. It makes no difference to the porn consumer whether they spend their money or not: the product and the production values are the same. You're making them money even if you think you're not. They want hits as much as subscriptions...maybe more, because advertisers can pay more. So if downloading or watching a 360 ip fuzzy video is enough for you, great. But you're not stopping them from making money...in fact you're helping them with every click.

 

[celandina]

Do not blame the real producers ( most of them anyway), blame the pirates who steal and share legit content on thieving tubes and who do not give shit and only care about clicks, to make a living.