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A question for our European political junkies..

Why do you like President Obama so much? What makes him different in your eyes to past presidents?

This is a serious question. I would be interested in reading exactly why he seems to have so much support over there.
 
If it helps, I like him as much as I liked Bill Clinton, Al Gore and probably would have liked John Kerry if he stuck around more prominently. Aside from the fact that Europe as a whole generally tends towards the left more than the US does--and therefore is going to appreciate left-leaning politicians more--it just often seems that leftie politicians appear more genial and relatable. The same is true over here too, though--while I doubt you'll get through the rest of this post without Wikipedia, it's impossible not to like Anna Lo, Naomi Long, Gerry Kelly or John O'Dowd more as likeable people than their right-leaning counterparts such as Sammy Wilson, Jim Alistair or Iris and Peter Robinson. The way I see it, the man-in-the-street impression of the politics of business-over-society is not a good one.
 
If it helps, I like him as much as I liked Bill Clinton, Al Gore and probably would have liked John Kerry if he stuck around more prominently. Aside from the fact that Europe as a whole generally tends towards the left more than the US does--and therefore is going to appreciate left-leaning politicians more--it just often seems that leftie politicians appear more genial and relatable. The same is true over here too, though--while I doubt you'll get through the rest of this post without Wikipedia, it's impossible not to like Anna Lo, Naomi Long, Gerry Kelly or John O'Dowd more as likeable people than their right-leaning counterparts such as Sammy Wilson, Jim Alistair or Iris and Peter Robinson. The way I see it, the man-in-the-street impression of the politics of business-over-society is not a good one.

That was an honest answer and pretty much what I hoped to get and expected. No I am not familiar with all of the particular Irish politicians and activists. I am however more familiar with O'Dowd.
 
Why do you like President Obama so much? What makes him different in your eyes to past presidents?

This is a serious question. I would be interested in reading exactly why he seems to have so much support over there.

Support from the liberal elite/champagne socialists mainly. I personally think he's a weak president and has failed to commit to many policies, mainly Guantanamo Bay being the issue for me. And that has nothing to do with skin colour. I'll always be a Bush fan :). I'm British by the way.
 
Support from the liberal elite/champagne socialists mainly. I personally think he's a weak president and has failed to commit to many policies, mainly Guantanamo Bay being the issue for me. And that has nothing to do with skin colour. I'll always be a Bush fan :). I'm British by the way.

Wow! You are certainly in the minority of those Brits that post here. That's encouraging.
 
Why do you like President Obama so much? What makes him different in your eyes to past presidents?

This is a serious question. I would be interested in reading exactly why he seems to have so much support over there.
I'm not an Obama enthusiast, I just think that considering what the Republican party stands for these days, a Republican president would be terrible for America and for the rest of the world.
 
Wow! You are certainly in the minority of those Brits that post here. That's encouraging.

I don't know about the Brits that post here, but I think as an American you would be surprised how apathetic Britain actually is in comparison with America. There's very little difference now between the main three parties. In England, the folk who are political mostly tend to be conservative, hence why they're in power. Perhaps they are Scottish on here haha.
 

georges

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Why do you like President Obama so much? What makes him different in your eyes to past presidents?

This is a serious question. I would be interested in reading exactly why he seems to have so much support over there.

Because a lot of dumb post 1986 born clueless idiots like socialists and are naturally born socialists, don't want to work or bust their asses offand just care of getting social helps and free healthcare. You can't make of a generation of pestiferating parasites a hardworking one, never. They also think that diversity is working so well when in fact it is not. I have always been a reagan, bush sr and bush jr supporter. I always hated clinton but obama is far worse than clinton. Aside being a community leader, he is a mediocre president.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Why do you like President Obama so much? What makes him different in your eyes to past presidents?
I'll answer this from my point of view as a British-American and mix in many of the opinions I've heard living in England and Germany...I voted for Obama the first time around and I don't regret it. What with McCain singing songs about bombing Iran, he was simply continuing the narrative that's become more and more clear as I get older: the Republican party is a train wreck for virtually everybody concerned. Most Republican voters are arguing against their own well-being. That wasn't all, though - I'll admit I caught some of the excitement of his first campaign.

I'm not an Obama enthusiast, I just think that considering what the Republican party stands for these days, a Republican president would be terrible for America and for the rest of the world.
...as to the many opinions I've heard, this has a lot to do with the Euro-love for Obama as well: most of the rest of the world also sees the Republican party as a train-wreck, though this is mostly due to GW Bush (I don't think many Europeans understand the effects that we still suffer from from, say, the war on drugs and other past presidents' ill-adventures...not that I'd expect them to, any more than I would of their countries' politicians from the last forty years). Obama also appears to lack the perceived-standard-American arrogance - he talks to leaders and engages in their customs (taking heat from the right while doing so - one might recall such events in Saudi Arabia and Japan, if I remember correctly). Again, some of this is simply contrast: "You're either with us or against us" did not sit well over here.

One should also keep in mind that most of the European countries vote for a party, not an individual. So some of Obama's Euro-love is simply because they like Democrats better. And that's pretty easy to see why: they aren't embroiled in what seems like ridiculous stances on guns, same-sex marriage, abortion, etc. This I'd have to qualify with saying "the average European I've met", as there are still plenty of political elements throughout Europe fighting with these things. As Jeep said, Europe swings left of the States, but like everybody knows you can't paint everyone with such broad strokes - in Ireland, if I'm not mistaken, abortions are almost completely illegal, then of course there was the protest against same-sex marriage recently in France, and then throughout the continent more far-right politicians are gaining traction, as far as I can tell, as a reflex against the immigration coming from the Middle East and nearby regions. But that's another discussion altogether...

In my first British election I decided that "the lesser of two evils" wasn't good enough, and it really looked like the third party (Lib Dems) had a shot, so I went for it. Of course, my vote for the Lib Dems effectively turned into a vote for the Conservatives which was the opposite of what I was going for, but...I'm still standing by that nowadays. Obama did not get my vote a second time.

Because a lot of dumb post 1986 born clueless idiots like socialists and are naturally born socialists, don't want to work or bust their asses offand just care of getting social helps and free healthcare. You can't make of a generation of pestiferating parasites a hardworking one, never.
It's funny how you can hold stupid opinions, I can show you how your opinions are wrong with facts, figures, sources, you can say something like "Facts don't concern me!" and carry on holding these ignorant opinions. Really, I'm amused. Probably don't even remember the debate. We've had it twice now regarding your...hmm...generacism.
 

larss

I'm watching some specialist videos
As Rattrap said, it is not Obama as such, more anti-Republican. In the UK the conservatives are the right wing party, and yet they are, politically speaking, closer to the Democrats than the Republicans.
As a Brit, I cannot understand the love affair that the USA has for guns. For sport, I can see the appeal, but otherwise, I just don't get it. I cannot understand the reluctance to tighten gun controls.

GWB came across as a total moron, and Romney as a complete Mormon - religion has no place in politics.
Finally, I feel that it is up to those that have, in a nation, to help those who have not. Whether this be housing, food or medical care, a modern nation must look after those that cannot help themselves to be truly civilized. This will not happen if left purely to charities, it needs to be run through government. Why should there be a difference between a police force and fire department paid for by the tax payer and medical aid that isn't? It appears to me (rightly or wrongly) that the GOP are generally against any welfare state.
 

georges

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Staff member
It's funny how you can hold stupid opinions, I can show you how your opinions are wrong with facts, figures, sources, you can say something like "Facts don't concern me!" and carry on holding these ignorant opinions. Really, I'm amused. Probably don't even remember the debate. We've had it twice now regarding your...hmm...generacism.
Before calling someone ignorant make sure that you are the one who isn't ignorant and who isn't the one brainwashed by the media. Also apply your beloved little socialist morals to your own before trying to give them to other people. Generacism, another bullshit coming from you. You can't like everyone that is a fact and deal with it. We have seen what have given socialist government in Greece, Spain and Portugal, just shit and trainwreck.
 
We have seen what have given socialist government in Greece, Spain and Portugal, just shit and trainwreck.
Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Sweden for 12 years. Does Sweden looks like a trainwreck ?
Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Norway for 12 years. Does Norway looks like a trainwreck ?
Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Finland for 14 years. Does Finland looks like a trainwreck ?
Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Denmark for 10 years. Does Denmark looks like a trainwreck ?

These countries are always ont top of the education, and healthcare rankings, they have very few corruption and are very progressive.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Before calling someone ignorant make sure that you are the one who isn't ignorant...
You say this all the time, and to answer bluntly: I make great efforts to make sure and especially to take heed in the areas that I am ignorant in. You do not, which is why I've said before and still stand by that you're in the top 5 least informed regular posters here. Somewhere not too far behind the Asshats.

... and who isn't the one brainwashed by the media.
...and this is pretty funny too, coming from the fellow who thinks, lives, and breathes the right-wing media agenda. That you're not even in the States shows you make an effort to be so ignorant. Anyway, the rest of your post is similarly stupid, so I'll move on to Johan's eloquent rebuttal:

Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Sweden for 12 years. Does Sweden looks like a trainwreck ?
Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Norway for 12 years. Does Norway looks like a trainwreck ?
Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Finland for 14 years. Does Finland looks like a trainwreck ?
Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Denmark for 10 years. Does Denmark looks like a trainwreck ?

These countries are always ont top of the education, and healthcare rankings, they have very few corruption and are very progressive.
And what, ladies and gentlemen, does this show? That socialist policies are not inherently prone to failure. Does it show that they are otherwise inherently prone to succeed? No. It shows that like everything in this world, things are more complex than some of our narrow-minded posters choose to perceive.
 
Some interesting observations here. To be honest everyone is a product of their environment. My ideology could very well be different if I grew up in Europe. Not saying that it would be, but that it could be different.
 
Because a lot of dumb post 1986 born clueless idiots like socialists and are naturally born socialists, don't want to work or bust their asses offand just care of getting social helps and free healthcare. You can't make of a generation of pestiferating parasites a hardworking one, never. They also think that diversity is working so well when in fact it is not. I have always been a reagan, bush sr and bush jr supporter. I always hated clinton but obama is far worse than clinton. Aside being a community leader, he is a mediocre president.

Why do you think diversity is not working? Not an attack, just curious :)
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Who says I like him? Sure he's better than bush, but so is slowly pushing a toddler through a fine wire mesh. Feet first.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Sweden for 12 years. Does Sweden looks like a trainwreck ?
Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Norway for 12 years. Does Norway looks like a trainwreck ?
Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Finland for 14 years. Does Finland looks like a trainwreck ?
Over the last 20 years, the socialist party has been ruling Denmark for 10 years. Does Denmark looks like a trainwreck ?

These countries are always ont top of the education, and healthcare rankings, they have very few corruption and are very progressive.
Juts look at the riots in Sweden are you happy with this? It is just a matter of time, till the socialist governments of Finland, Norway and Denmark and the left wing parties won't get reelected and won't be the political leaders. All of these countries have serious problems with some immigrants that get more and more important.

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Who says I like him? Sure he's better than bush, but so is slowly pushing a toddler through a fine wire mesh. Feet first.

Stop lying, if he asked you to wax his shoes, you would have done it.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Juts look at the riots in Sweden are you happy with this? It is just a matter of time, till the socialist governments of Finland, Norway and Denmark and the left wing parties won't get reelected and won't be the political leaders. All of these countries have serious problems with some immigrants that get more and more important.

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Stop lying, if he asked you to wax his shoes, you would have done it.
You're right.
You're always right.
You know how much respect I have for authority, after all :georges:
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
You're right.
You're always right.
You know how much respect I have for authority, after all :georges:
You have clearly shown your true colors like most socialists leftists. I don't think that I need to add something else
 
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