70+ killed in football (soccer) riots in Egypt

This is horrible. Just the sort of violence that the already troubled country of Egypt did not need.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57369854/egypt-tv-73-killed-in-clashes-after-soccer-match/

(AP)

CAIRO - At least 73 Egyptians were killed Wednesday in violence following a soccer match in Port Said, when fans flooded the field seconds after a match against a rival team was over, Egyptian state TV reported.

It was one of the worst incidents of sports violence in Egypt in decades.

Egyptian Al-Ahly players escape from the field as fans of Al-Masry team rush to the pit during clashes that erupted after a football match between the two teams in Port Said, 220 kms northeast of Cairo, on February 1, 2012.

A security official and a medic said fans of the home team, Al-Masry, swarmed the field after a rare 3-1 win against Al-Ahly, Egypt's top team. They threw stones, fireworks, and bottles at the fans and injured some players. (Watch the incident below).

A medic at a morgue in Port Said, a city on the Mediterranean coast, said some of the dead were security officers. He was speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters.

The causes of the deaths were not immediately known.
 
It's sad that sports celebrations often end violently. It's just a game. There's no reason why violence should take place at an event intended for recreation.
 

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what the fuck you lookin at?
Shesh, and I thought American Football was dangerous...
 
another example of when something awesome turns deadly and shitty. (see: black metal violence/arson)
 
73 dead, none injured
 
I have nothing but disgust for 'fans' behaving in this unacceptable way. The authorities should round up the guilty and shoot every single one if them. it's a damn soccer game, act like humans or be destroyed like animals.
 
and theres a reason to be glad soccer isnt big here
 
This is really tragic, but I want to make clear that it basically has nothing to do with football itself as the roots clearly lie in all that has happened in this country in the last year or so. Obviously both Ultra groups represent the two sides of the Egyptian conflict, Mubarak supporters and members of the election winners, the Muslim Brotherhood. It has also been reported that this was a premeditated attack by Al-Masry fans, supporters of the Mubarak regime, and that the leader and founder of the largest Al-Ahly Ultra group (Ultras Ahlawy) has been killed in this riot. It should also be known that Ultra groups from Al-Ahly were a driving force on Tahrir square in the past year. I've also read that the police did nothing but looked on as people were dying.

Political motivated riots at a football match and Ultras being at the helm of it has been heard before. Probably the most infamous football match in the history of the game took place in 1990, on May 13 to be exact, in Yugoslavia, a country already on the verge of war, as Dinamo Zagreb (Croatia) played Red Star Belgrade (Serbia). Well, they didn't really play because this match didn't even start as Ultras fought Ultras, Ultras fought the police, and even the players got involved, punching and kicking Ultras, police and opposing players. This incident basically was the beginning of the Yugoslavian war, and Ultras from both sides soon after fought on the front lines for their respective country.

I'm not really familiar with the Egyptian Ultras scene, so I for one cannot even begin to imagine how this will play out as the country of Egypt moves forward with new powers that be in place, but I think it's safe to say the situation cannot be compared to the one in Yugoslavia more than 20 years ago. The thing is that Ultra groups in Europe clash all the time, especially when they represent two opposite sides of politics, e.g. the fascist group Irriducibili (Lazio) versus far left group Brigate Autonome Livornesi (Livorno Calcio), but when the country itself is in such turmoil and unrest like Egpyt, really fucked up shit like this is bound to happen, especially when authorities obviously take sides.

Anyhow, I guess I just wanted people who are not really familiar with football slash Ultras to know that what happened today has absolutely nothing to do with football other than one side having chosen to take this match as an opportunity for this vicious and politically motivated attack.
 
what about countless other large scale riots/fights that have happened over the years after soccer matches?

not to say it hasnt happened here in the US after world series games, the superbowl, NBA finals and Stanley cups. but it just seems that its much more common when it comes to soccer.

its not a knock on the sport, just a question. i should make that known
 
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Anyhow, I guess I just wanted people who are not really familiar with football slash Ultras to know that what happened today has absolutely nothing to do with football other than one side having chosen to take this match as an opportunity for this vicious and politically motivated attack.

I agree completely with this. It's my understanding that these savage brutes came to the stadium already armed with knives. There clearly was going to be trouble long before the game even started. The fact that the security forces were ineffective or simply made a "business decision" to not get involved is just sickening.

People grouse all the time about how America is so violent ... but America has got NOTHING on these quasi-medieval, brutal nations in the Middle East. I don't know what Egypt's uncertain future holds, but I do feel that when the dust settles it will NOT be a pro-West democracy -- and that's bad for the U.S. :2 cents:
 
what about countless other large scale riots/fights that have happened over the years after soccer matches?

not to say it hasnt happened here in the US after world series games, the superbowl, NBA finals and Stanley cups. but it just seems that its much more common when it comes to soccer.

its not a knock on the sport, just a question. i should make that known

Absolutely, and I wouldn't even try to dispute that as it clearly is a fact. I've never been to the US and therefore have never been to any game of baseball, football or hockey, but from what I can tell watching all those sports is that there isn't really any organized support, and that's the main difference to football over here, to South America ("barras", "torcidas") or the middle east for that matter. And that's where aforementioned Ultras come into play (here's the Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultras). That kind of support separates soccer matches from big football or baseball games.

(Nerd fact: the actual first documented organized support in the world of sports did generate in the US though, in Boston to be exact, as people went to the games together and called themselves the Royal Rooters)

But today there's nothing even comparable to the Ultras of Europe and the Middle East, the Torcidas of Brazil and the Barras Bravas of the rest of South America.

Yes, it is true that certain Ultra groups have lost their way as they only to fight with other groups and destroy stadium property as opposed to simply support their team by constantly singing, clapping and engaging in so called choreos. Eastern Europe, especially Poland, is a breeding ground for the most violent Ultras in all of Europe, and many of them support their team under the flag of ultra-nationalism and fascism since they've been freed from Communism now.

In Germany there are so called "Riskiospiele" (high risk games), e.g. St. Pauli, which solely has left wing Ultras supporters, versus Hansa Rostock, where local police is required to double or even trible their strength. But clashes of course don't have to be politically motivated as there are fierce rivalries going on all across Europe. Staying in Germany, Eintracht Frankfurt versus Kickers Offenbach comes to mind, two cities that absolutely hate, despise each other, just like Split (Hajduk) and Zagreb (Dinamo) in Croatia. But the fiercest rivalries of course rage between clubs from one city. When I was groundhopping (travelling from one country to the next to attend football games) Europe a few years back I got the chance to attend the "Derby della capitale" in Rome between Lazio and AS Roma. I'm not easily rattled by things like that, but there I almost shat my pants, it was just plain scary and warlike almost.

I'm living in Vienna, and I'm an avid supporter of SK Rapid, and I love going to the stadium and attend matched, most of all against FAK of course, our most hated innercity rival. I've been to those games alone, with friends, and with friends who had their sons or their whoel family with them, and there's no problem with that. In Italy though the attendance of women and children has dramatically decreased over the last few years since you can't take your family to the stadium on a Sunday afternoon any longer, it simply is too dangerous.

What I'm trying to say is that all over Europe there are the good and the bad within the soccer supporting community, but even when it's really bad, usually noone gets killed in or outside the stadium. However, the fact remains, that soccer crowds in general seem to be way more unruly than the average US sports supporter. I know, there are certain exceptions to the rule, like the guy who got beat up really bad at a Dodgers game (right?), or just recently a young veteran at a hockey game.

Okay, so here's what Ultra support should look like:

SK Rapid in Vienna vs. HSV:
 
Well, and that's how it's done...NOT! This happened the past summer in Vienna between SK Rapid and FAK where Rapid fans invaded the pitch shortly after FAK scored their second goal. The team played really bad the whole season (which shortly ended after that particular match) and tensions between the fans and the club were on a dangerous high at that very point, which finally boiled over when FAK had humiliated the home team in their own stadium after 20 mnutes of play. It must also be said that many of those pitch invaders actually came from other Ultra groups, notably Gate 13 of Athens. It is common practice that certain groups have friends in other countries, mostly due to sporting the same team colors, but that's not a must. Anyhow, as a result of this particular pitch invasion more then 70 people got banned from the stadium for life (I think), and derbies where Rapid is listed as the home team must not take place in their own stadium, but Vienna's national arena, the "Ernst Happel Stadion", where usually the national team plays and cup finals are being held.
 
Can we not turn this into another football vs American football thread. If you want to talk about that take it to one of the other countless threads on that subject.

This thread should be about those who have died. R.I.P
 
It's sad that sports celebrations often end violently. It's just a game. There's no reason why violence should take place at an event intended for recreation.
This is not about soccer. It is about politics Al-Masri fans have been manipulated and brought to believe that Al-Ahli fans were threatening them.

In Egypt, with the revolution going on, soccer fans are highly politicized. Al-Masri fans are supporting the military junta that currently holds the power. Fans of Al-Masri are linked to any political party but many have been seen fighting police repression during street protests.
 
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