11 yr. old brat rats on mom & pop for smoking pot by telling this to the cops

[~~whimsy~~]

Marijuana doesn't effect judgment at all.

I mentioned drug usage. What is the point of this post?

 

[D-rock]

I have to think this is something he will regret when he gets older to understand just what he has done, and to get enough of a world view to get past the brainwashing of the people at his school.

 

[Hot Mega]

I have to think this is something he will regret when he gets older to understand just what he has done, and to get enough of a world view to get past the brainwashing of the people at his school.

True. The kid has likely made a monumental size mess of his parent's life over something that all in all is most likely a very minor circumstance. If you make dumb, irresponsible mistakes..you'd hope to not have to learn the hard way (i.e. drinking and driving then getting a DUI as opposed to killing an entire family). In this case the kid could have ingested this or some other more lethal dose of another household drug since they weren't paying enough attention so this could be getting off lightly for them for the potential hazard of their mistake.

That said, if they are loose enough with their shit that their kid is hauling their stash to school with him....they probably needed to have this happen.

 

[fake_ono]

:dito:

im kinda surprised the school didn't expel him for bringing drugs to school...

I don't believe marijuana should be legalized and I also don't believe in God.

Jah makes the herb for man.

 

[Shindekudasai]

Thanks for giving me an opportunity to say it once again: only in America.

Honestly, this is...I don't know, what it is.... strange, weird, wrong...?

Well, we don't know the parents, so we don't know how responsible they were about the use of marijuana. But either way, it takes one hell of an education to get an 11year old to snitch on his parents. You know what that reminds me of? Systems like the ones with Stasi, Gestapo and co, where you were constantly told that snitching on your neighbor, your colleague or even your parents was the right thing to do, even if it's only for a ridiculous offense like marijuana. And to be blunt, dear Americans, in almost every (post)modern westernized culture, smoking pot is either no offense at all (see the Netherlands) or a minor offense or even just a misdemeanor and won't get you anywhere near jailtime (see fo example France, Germany, Switzerland etc.). Don't get me wrong, in most countries it's still prohibited, but in no other democracy in this world kids are tought to rat on their parents for something as small as that. Shame on you, America, really, what a crock of shit. Seriously, I've never heard of anything like this happen here. Of course, kids are supposed to call someone, when a drunk father beats them, but this, having a joint at home... disgusting, that's the right word...

 

[ThatRedWing]

Calling this kid a "rat" and a "snitch" is just stupid. Those terms are just scare tactics used for years by gangs. They always try to wrap it up in some "Code of Honor" bullshit. The kid probably needed some real food because all his lazy ass pothead parents would buy is junk food for their munchies.

If you want to drink or get high or whatever that is your own business but don't do it in front of your kids. If you are a parent your children need to be your first priority. After all of their needs are met do whatever you want in seclusion.

 

[pete rose]

He is a rat. That little shit could have just asked his parents about it, rather than bringing them in for something that is benign. He is the very definition of a snitch.

oh i forgot only hippies smoke weed right

 

[Friday on my mind]

Loota squares here ain't there lol.

Encouraging kids to denounce parents for mere pot smoking is sick.Most pot smokers are unhinderd by it and function very well.Better than people who drink any amount of alcohol for sure.

 

[ThatRedWing]

Well obviously the parents are the greatest role models ever.

The kid is 11 years old. He shouldn't have to question his parents. A parents job is to teach their children. If the kid was convinced to turn in his parents after a talk at school then the parents aren't doing their job. This is all on the parents. Why does an 11 year old know where your stash is?

If you can't handle reality and need to have an escape, fine do whatever you want to do. If you are going to do it in front of your kids, explain it to them. If you are to lazy to do that then don't do it in front of them. I personally think that weed should be legalized, but until it is those are the chances you take.

 

[pete rose]

Why does an 11 year old know where your stash is?

Because he's a little shit disturber, rooting around his parents stuff. The kid is 11, there's really no reason for him to know.

I think you're forgetting that 11 year olds are stupid.

 

[Ace Bandage]

You dumb arrogant son of a bitch. We are talking about parents that do drugs who have kids and kids find the drugs. Don't start throwing out signature insults because you provide nothing to a thread except for quoting someone and going off on a fucking tangent. So fuck you quote cunt!

We are not talking about parents in general being irresponsible; we are talking about a child who turned his parents in for having marijuana to the police since marijuana is against the law the child did the right thing.

And there is a difference between heavy drinkers and occasional, moderate drinkers who drink their limit and not get drunk! How many times does someone have to fucking tell you something before you get it in your fucking fat ass soldier of fortune wannabe head!? Want to pull out any other obscured military knowledge to counter this in your next quote?

Jesus, fuck off, and go do something, cunt! Leave me the fuck alone!

(rep to whims)

Awesome. Can I sell tickets to the fight?

Excelsior! Had I ranted like that, I would have been banned. Just sayin'...

 

[Facetious]

This is exactly what children are bound to do if you get 'em hooked on video games . . . ''Daddy, I want this game . . . Daddy, I want that game'' . .NO son!, you already have 150 of them! . . ''Oh yea Daddy?
You're under arrest!'' as the kid narcs off his parents.:1orglaugh

. . .insidious little black mailing devils them kids can be . . if ya let 'em. :1orglaugh

 

[ThatRedWing]

Because he's a little shit disturber, rooting around his parents stuff. The kid is 11, there's really no reason for him to know.

I think you're forgetting that 11 year olds are stupid.

Which goes back to the parents. Hide your shit better morons. Look at the bright side, they won't have kids there to steal their shit in a couple of years.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

How much you want to bet he will quote this and add how I don't stand a chance in a fight against him, Andronicus?

 

[pete rose]

Which goes back to the parents. Hide your shit better morons. Look at the bright side, they won't have kids there to steal their shit in a couple of years.

Are you seriously suggesting that marijuana would yield that outcome? Have you ever smoked weed?

 

[Ace Bandage]

How much you want to bet he will quote this and add how I don't stand a chance in a fight against him, Andronicus?

Of course he would say that. Elitism and arrogance are his MO. He'd never see you coming...

 

[shimmy2]

i would pay good money to watch some of you fuckers brawl in a ring... in fact i'd film it and put it in my members area. FYI any 'program' that teaches loyalty to law enforcement over family bloodlines is beyond ridiculous. i remember going through the dare program, and smokey the bear, std presentations, and all the anti-gang plays etc in school. its a joke, but at a young age kids are easier to brainwash thats why they start in the 4th grade

 

[D-rock]

I guess I just don't like the fact there are schools our there or the police that come into them telling kids to tell on people, even people close to them, no matter what because something is against the law and they feel things that are against the law are always wrong no matter what or they have some Judge Dread mentality when it comes to the law. Kinds don't need to be turned into useful informants for law enforcement. I don't think anybody but ones parents or guardians should be trying to instill values in children for that matter anyhow. It's not the schools place to teach morality, ethics, philosophy, good citizenship or anything like that.

There are some things that people should inform others about, but it wasn't like his parents burned down an orphanage for fun or anything like that. Parents that let their kids know they do drugs aren't exactly the most exemplary people in the world, but for something like this and the way it was found out I can see the punishment ending up being highly disproportional to the crime, especially when a lot of people think marijuana being illegal is a ridiculous law in the first place. I don't necessarily blame the child here. He's 11 years old, probably thinks like an 11 year old, and probably doesn't know the full consequences of his actions. That why I think in the near future he might very much regret what he did when he was 11. I could see him thinking his parents might get a time out, something metaphorically equivalent to detention at school, or some other slap on the wrist and not something that because of the way it came out might have a chance of altering the entire lives of both them and the child. It might be one of those things where it was just funny to get back at mom and dad to him because they didn't let him stay up late one night.

Maybe his parents are a bunch of douche bags and terrible parents and he would be better off without them or with them cleaning up their act, but without further information indicating that's the case I'm going to assume they aren't.

 

[HELLRAISER]

Thanks for giving me an opportunity to say it once again: only in America.

Honestly, this is...I don't know, what it is.... strange, weird, wrong...?

Well, we don't know the parents, so we don't know how responsible they were about the use of marijuana. But either way, it takes one hell of an education to get an 11year old to snitch on his parents. You know what that reminds me of? Systems like the ones with Stasi, Gestapo and co, where you were constantly told that snitching on your neighbor, your colleague or even your parents was the right thing to do, even if it's only for a ridiculous offense like marijuana. And to be blunt, dear Americans, in almost every (post)modern westernized culture, smoking pot is either no offense at all (see the Netherlands) or a minor offense or even just a misdemeanor and won't get you anywhere near jailtime (see fo example France, Germany, Switzerland etc.). Don't get me wrong, in most countries it's still prohibited, but in no other democracy in this world kids are tought to rat on their parents for something as small as that. Shame on you, America, really, what a crock of shit. Seriously, I've never heard of anything like this happen here. Of course, kids are supposed to call someone, when a drunk father beats them, but this, having a joint at home... disgusting, that's the right word...

If the Gestapo were still around today, they'd be envious of the silliness and effectiveness of the D.A.R.E. program which tricks Americans into pissing away trillions of tax dollars to fund the war on drugs

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/dare4.htm

DARE Scare: Turning Children Into Informants?

WP 1/29/94 9:00 PM

By James Bovard

DRUG ABUSE Resistance Education (DARE) is currently being taught by police officers to more than 5 million children in more than 250,000 classrooms each year. The brainchild of former Los Angeles police chief Daryl Gates, the DARE program is directed mostly at fifth and sixth graders, though its activities can span kindergarten through 12th grade. Gates made headlines in 1989 with his suggestion that drug users be taken out and shot, and his brand of philosophical moderation permeates the DARE approach to drug abuse.

On its face, DARE seems unobjectionable. It seeks to maximize youngsters' hostility to drugs by teaching them perils of drugs and reinforcing the message with DARE frisbees, DARE wristwatches and an official DARE song ("Dare to keep a kid off dope/Dare to give a kid some hope"). Students are also able to win or purchase DARE pencils, erasers, workbooks and certificates of achievement.

But along with the anti-drug paraphernalia may come a more ominous effect: children informing on their drug-using parents.

The program was created partly as a result of Gates's frustrations with police sting operations in the schools. Until the late 1980s, Los Angeles police officers routinely went undercover as high school students in order to implore real students to buy drugs from them. In 1987, the American Civil Liberties Union complained, "When other adults try to get young people involved with drugs, we call it contributing to the delinquency of a minor. When the LAPD does it, we call it the school-buy program."

Finding young people who would buy drugs proved quite easy. Unfortunately, it had little effect on drug use by students. As Gates told the Los Angeles Times last September, "We kept buying more and more. It was appalling, depressing. I finally said: `This is crazy. We've got to do something.' "

The result was DARE. Winning the trust of youngsters is an essential feature of DARE. Policemen sit and talk with children during lunch hour and play games with them during recess. The federal Bureau of Justice Assistance noted in a 1988 report that DARE "students have an opportunity to become acquainted with the (police) officer as a trusted friend who is interested in their happiness and welfare. Students occasionally tell the officer about problems such as abuse, neglect, alcoholic parents, or relatives who use drugs."

One of the first lessons found in DARE teaching materials stresses the "Three R's": "Recognize, Resist and Report." The official DARE Officer's Guide for Grades K-4 contains a worksheet that instructs children to "Circle the names of the people you could tell if . . . a friend finds some pills"; the "Police" are listed along with "Mother or Father," "Teacher"or "Friend." The next exercise instructs children to check boxes for whom they should inform if they "are asked to keep a secret" - the police are again listed as an option.

Roberta Silverman, a spokeswoman for national DARE headquarters in Los Angeles, rejects the idea that DARE teaches or encourages informing. "When students begin the DARE program they are specifically advised not talk about their parents or friends. We are very clear that when DARE instructors are in the classroom, they are there as teachers, not law enforcement officers."

Silverman says that the DARE Officer's Guide for Grades K-4 is not part of the DARE core curriculum. "It lays the groundwork for what the officers do later. It's more like generic safety instruction, teaching kids about personal safety. The part about keeping a secret is to get kids talking about molestation. It has nothing to do with drugs or with getting them to turn their parents in." Silverman also says that "any time a child makes a disclosure (of parental drug use) to an officer, the DARE officer would be required like any other teacher to report that to the proper authorities or agencies."

Not surprisingly, children sometimes confide the names of people they suspect are illegally using drugs. A mother and father in Caroline County, Md., were jailed for 30 days after their daughter informed a police DARE instructor that her parents had marijuana plants in their home, according to a story in The Washington Post in January 1993. The Wall Street Journal reported in 1992 that "In two recent cases in Boston, children who had tipped police stepped out of their homes carrying DARE diplomas as police arrived to arrest their parents." In 1991, 10-year-old Joaquin Herrera of Englewood, Colo., phoned 911, announced, "I'm a DARE kid" and summoned police to his house to discover a couple of ounces of marijuana hidden in a bookshelf, according to the Rocky Mountain News. The boy sat outside his parents' home in a police patrol car while the police searched the home and arrested the parents. The policeman assigned to the boy's school commended the boy's action.

Police and DARE officials keep no statistics on how many drug busts result from the program. And DARE officials say that reports of kids informing on their parents cannot fairly be attributed to DARE.

"I think to focus on these few incidents is to do a disservice to people who are at the forefront of prevention efforts in this country," DARE's Silverman said. "There are 25 million kids who have been exposed to DARE and a handful of cases of informing that may or may not be related to DARE at all."

Nine-year-old Darrin Davis of Douglasville, Ga., called 911 after he found a small amount of speed hidden in his parent's bedroom because, as he told the Dallas Morning News, "At school, they told us that if we ever see drugs, call 911 because people who use drugs need help . . . . I thought the police would come get the drugs and tell them that drugs are wrong. They never said they would arrest them. . . . But in court, I heard them tell the judge that I wanted my mom and dad arrested. That is a lie. I did not tell them that." The arrest wrecked his parents' lives, said the Dallas newspaper; both parents lost their jobs, a bank threatened to foreclose on their homes and his father was kept in jail for three months.

Silverman says that the details of the case prove how murky such cases are. While Darrin Davis had been in a DARE program, she says that he did not report his parents to the DARE officer and that there was evidence that the parents were also involved in drug trafficking, thus putting their child at risk.

"It's making a mountain out of a molehill," she says.

Whatever DARE's effect on families, its record at discouraging drug use is the subject of some controversy. A study financed by the National Institute on Drug Abuse on the effect of DARE on Kentucky students between 1987 and 1992 reported "no statistically significant differences between experimental groups and control groups in the percentage of new users of . . . cigarettes, smokeless tobacco, alcohol and marijuana."

More recently, the National Institute of Justice hired Research Triangle Institute (RTI) to survey and evaluate all the published research on DARE, and RTI's preliminary conclusions were largely negative.

The RTI's evaluation concluded that only eight published studies of DARE's effectiveness were statistically valid. Susan Ennett, one of the lead researchers on the RTI project, concluded that these eight studies found that DARE's effects on drug use by children ranged from "limited to nonexistent." DARE says that other experts have criticized the methodology of the RTI study and notes that it has not yet completed the peer review process. DARE claims that of 23 studies of DARE, 20 found the program effective in shaping anti-drug attitudes and behavior.

At a March 1993 conference about drug education at the University of California at San Diego, social science researchers agreed that after 10 years of operation there is little evidence that DARE actually reduces drug use among the young. William Hanson, one of the early advisers to DARE and currently a professor at Wake Forest University, said, "I think the program should be entirely scrapped and redeveloped anew."

Many Americans, numbed by politicians' harsh rhetoric regarding drug use, may feel that policemen should be able to use any means available to detect drug users. Many DARE instructors have the best of intentions. But is that an excuse for government programs that endanger the bonds between children and parents?

James Bovard is the author of the forthcoming book, "Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty" (St. Martin's Press). Copyright 1994 The Washington Post

 

[HE1FiNEARTiST]

kids a fucking snitch, parents are irresponsible assholes.... nobody wins but the court of law and they can eat a bag of dicks.

America the beautiful..... lol indeed