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Obama supporters losing their faith?
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What does that have to do with what I said?
Ah Mega and Hellraiser. Both of you are doing a bang up job supporting Him even as the curtain falls. Doing you're liberal duty of blaming scapegoats and Corporate conspiracies. Songs and poems will be written for your intrepid loyalty!!!!!!!11111
To you fanatic supporters I take my hat off and shout
Haroo!!!! Hip Hip!!!!! Huzzah!!!!
To you fanatic supporters I take my hat off and shout
Haroo!!!! Hip Hip!!!!! Huzzah!!!!
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And that's the voice of "Centrist America"
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Obama simply tried too hard to work with the GOP. Remember when he went to one of their national conferences and stood up in front of all of them, took their scorn and their anti-American hatred full ***** and answered all of their stupid questions? What did that earn him exactly? Oh, yeah, the respect of Republicans :rofl:
I think the Tea Party backwater scum will divide the Republican base and the GOP won't win as many seats as they think will ,and ,apparently they're acting like they have it won. Ah yes, taking votes for granted...where have I seen this before
If Obama had removed all U.S. troops from the Middle East and basically followed through on all of his campaign promises--we would be in much better shape.
Let's suppose that the Republicans do take control of the House. All that will ensure is a complete shutdown of the Federal Gov't. Obama will be under no incentive to work with the House and the Senate will be a toothless, isolated, useless political body.
THe U.S. will crumble even further for 2 years....and voter rage will only intensify....but the rage for 2012 will be squarely pointed at the Republicans....
And that's the voice of "Centrist America"
:*****:Obama simply tried too hard to work with the GOP. Remember when he went to one of their national conferences and stood up in front of all of them, took their scorn and their anti-American hatred full ***** and answered all of their stupid questions? What did that earn him exactly? Oh, yeah, the respect of Republicans :rofl:
I think the Tea Party backwater scum will divide the Republican base and the GOP won't win as many seats as they think will ,and ,apparently they're acting like they have it won. Ah yes, taking votes for granted...where have I seen this before
If Obama had removed all U.S. troops from the Middle East and basically followed through on all of his campaign promises--we would be in much better shape.
Let's suppose that the Republicans do take control of the House. All that will ensure is a complete shutdown of the Federal Gov't. Obama will be under no incentive to work with the House and the Senate will be a toothless, isolated, useless political body.
THe U.S. will crumble even further for 2 years....and voter rage will only intensify....but the rage for 2012 will be squarely pointed at the Republicans....
I'm not sure what you're talking about as I haven't blamed anyone but Obama for not going on the offense about his policies and putting the circumstances in perspective.
I'm a fanatic for simply being grown up enough to not expect 1 man to work magic in a year in a half of inheriting the worst circumstances since the depression when it took Reagan nearly 2 terms to do so in a less worse situation?? If that makes me a fanatic then..yea...that's me.:wave::glugglug:
I expect the guy to reasonably do the things he said he would do when he asked us to vote for him and leave the country better off than he got it.
I didn't expect him to take office and magically stop unemployment from rising amidst a bankrupt financial institution and bankrupt auto industry (among other things) on Jan. 21, '09...just because his name was Obama...
I didn't expect him to inexplicably pull troops out of Afghanistan when he spent his entire campaign telling all who would listen he would do the opposite nor did expect him to reverse 8 years of failure in Afghanistan in a year in a half of taking office.
I certainly expected as only a reasonable person would that if you increase troops and their activity in Afghanistan after 8 years of ceding nearly every province there to the Taliban more troops are going to die until we figured out how much Bush fucked it up.
My biggest and only gripe with Obama is his lack of leadership on slam dunk issues like GiTMO. I suppose he's had other more pressing issues but that's no excuse for me. I'm not losing ***** over it not being closed even though I think it should be. The problem with Obama on it is that he had a consensus to close the thing and allowed a shrill minority to bump him off the issue with total bullshit.
If he couldn't exert leadership of the jelly kneed Demos on that the prospects don't bode well for some of the tougher issues especially when he likely faces more obstructionists after the upcoming elections.
So again, if me looking at the circumstances the country faces more soberly and what/how long it will take to turn it around, being more realistic about what he said he would do and what he is doing and being steadfast enough to give the guy I voted for more than a year and a half to bail us out of the **** he inherited makes me a fanatic...then count me in.:hatsoff:
If you're a wishy washy indy disenchanted because you tuned in for a magic show but got a guy doing the things he said he would do and making reasonable decisions...I don't know what to say other than next time stay on the sidelines and let the grown ups make the decisions.:dunno:
You didn't vote Obama in to be a king or dictator where he simply wills things into being. He's a president that follows his constitutional authority and makes policy in concert with a congress not by fiat
That sums it all up for me. :glugglug:
Sorry Jag, I just couldn't resist.
Some claim Obama was in the video. :dunno:I didn't. But I'm sure he had followers who if for a brief period would've allowed Him to be President for life during the Love Obama Cult frenzy that stupidly had hundreds of thousands putting aside common sense for unwavering fanaticism to a man they didn't know.
Well, the guy who made that famous "Hope" poster is losing hope
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews_excl/ynews_excl_pl3712
And he couldn't fill up the Roosevelt Room in that known right wing enclave that is NEW YORK CITY!! :eek:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-23/obamas-fire-sale/
Yup, and foot soldiers they are, which is just another word for "cannon fodder".
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews_excl/ynews_excl_pl3712
And he couldn't fill up the Roosevelt Room in that known right wing enclave that is NEW YORK CITY!! :eek:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-23/obamas-fire-sale/
Yup, and foot soldiers they are, which is just another word for "cannon fodder".
On some level you're right as all presidential candidates in the modern era have a percentage of fans and those who don't take advantage of any of the many opportunities a candidate introduces himself and his positions to actually listen.
Certainly unwavering fanaticism is nothing new. We experienced just prior to Obama with G "9/11" W Bush. I mean this guy fucked us squarely up the ass on so many levels but yet there are those who believe he was delivered to us from a bar stool to Washington in the shroud of Jesus.
Obama had been on the national scene since at least the '04 election when he gave the Demo keynote babble or something at their convention. Subsequent to that he'd given countless nation media interviews.
He announced his candidacy for POTUS in early '07...subsequent to that he gave countless more interviews, participated in several debates and gave countless speeches outlining the policies he believed in and would try to implement up a successful campaign for POTUS.
Are there some percentage of Americans who for no matter whom they cast their vote are too lazy or disinterested to follow the candidate? Yes..and it's not an Obama phenomena.
But to try and contend people don't know him or his policies because he has somehow not conveyed them is laughable.
The guy has probably trumpeted his policies more often and concisely than any candidate in the past 3 or 4 election cycles.
There are those who are disenchanted because for some reason they believed he would wave a wand and the wars would be over.
There are some who believe he would wave a wand and they would somehow have a job..even though this is the worst circumstances since the depression.
There are some who believed he would wave a wand and GOPers would somehow act like they had the country's best interest in mind and not simply returning to power.
There are some who for some reason don't understand why he signed a health care reform when he spent his whole campaign saying he would.
Who's to blame for that??
LOL @ the "a man they didn't know" nonsense...
He was a United States senator who'd been a two term Illinois state senator.
Prior to that he'd been the President of the Harvard Law Review and taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago for 12 years.
He gave the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National convention, an address millions of americans watched, either live or after the fact on tape.
So the whole "out of nowhere" crap is just that, crap, as HM also noted in a more expanded fashion in the post above.
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Obama >> any GOP candidate
Oh yeah whatever.:1orglaugh
You act like everyone on the street knew everything about Obama. Gimme a break.
He was an unknown until '07 when the media got wind and made him a household name.
Go sell your Obama propaganda to the dozen or so people who still believe in his Hope, Change, Yes We Can garbage.:1orglaugh
Yeah, everyone on the street knows "everything" every candidate who runs for POTUS. I suppose that's why they campaign...But even if you're granted that fantasy...Obama announced his candidacy in Jan or Feb of '07 and was elected in Nov of '08...that's almost 2 years of campaigning for an office. Fucking Houdini couldn't hide who he was and what he was about for that long.
Give it up man....sheesh.
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Obama was unknown until 2007?
Do you remember, I dunno, 2004? Google Obama and 2004 :dunno:
Serious question. Do you ever swoop off from your Centrist perch to actually learn anything real about the Dems?
"Centrist"?:ban2: Oh...Billo the clown says he's a "Centrist" too.:1orglaugh
But you see the false dichotomy...The fact that the press covered the hell out of this "unknown" (doing their jobs) has to try and exist in the same reality of the press covering the hell out of this "unknown" (creating Obama).
But even if you're granted that fantasy...Obama announced his candidacy in Jan or Feb of '07 and was elected in Nov of '08...that's almost 2 years of campaigning for an office. Fucking Houdini couldn't hide who he was and what he was about for that long.
Give it up man....sheesh.
I don't think they can give it up.
They desperately need that "out of nowhere" integer to sustain their Welfare Messiah and Manchurian Candidate fantasies.
I think the worst numbers I've seen on his approval rating are around 40%. If that translates to 40% of all Americans who voted that would equate to 52 million supporters....just a wee bit more than a dozen.
They desperately need to maintain allot of malarkey to sustain their kooky fantasies.
I gotta hand it to them...they have no shame. Only they could argue out of the same mouth...he was covered too much and not enough at the same time.
I'm still debating if that's better than the 20 years in a church but he's a Muslim thing or the he's a Muslim "terrist" symp but he appoints Jews to the USSC and the highest posts in his Admin thing....
They desperately need to maintain allot of malarkey to sustain their kooky fantasies.
I gotta hand it to them...they have no shame. Only they could argue out of the same mouth...he was covered too much and not enough at the same time.
I'm still debating if that's better than the 20 years in a church but he's a Muslim thing or the he's a Muslim "terrist" symp but he appoints Jews to the USSC and the highest posts in his Admin thing....
Sometime politicians get stuck with something and they just can't get it off of them. I think the discussion of what religion he is doesn't matter, but that is me. :2 cents:
You can understand some of the fringe taking hold of this though.
He admitted that Jerimiah Wright was his mentor for 20 years. So, those 20 years you mention are not what middle America can relate to.
Obama's grandfather was a Muslim. Obama said studied the Qu'ran and what Obama describes as a Muslim public school.
With all of the controversy, Obama describes the Muslim praying as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth."
Again, my opinion :2 cents:, with the exception of his association with Wright, none of this is a bad thing. Islam is a legitimate religion. I know beautiful people who practice it. I'm catholic and I'll admit not having a full appreciation of Islam and its culture.
However, you have to admit, this is one of those things that is sticking to Obama. True or not true. If I was to grade him on his performance and handling of the issue (and oddly enough nobody has asked me to do this!) I would give him a C-.
So, I'm not going to complain that the poor president has to explain himself. Even George Washington had to explain himself at times.
I'm not Catholic but I once attended a Catholic school. I have a ****** born into a Catholic ****** and raised as one who is non denom now...(as many are nowadays). Point being...what someone is exposed to as a ***** under their parent's guidance doesn't necessarily bear out on what they become as an adult. All of his Muslim references are erstwhile...none contemporary.
I might add...it's probably true most atheists and agnostics were born into some religious ****** tradition too.
Being a member of a church for 20 years is one thing...I suppose I'm still technically member of the church I attended as a *** but haven't set foot in it in decades.
Mentor? To what degree? If Obama was one of Wright's Deacons...that would be one thing....but merely being another parishioner, one of thousands mentored by Wright as the head of their church....meh..:dunno:
Although you do make your points wayyy more coherently than I'm used here on the subject of Obama....
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