Obama supporters losing their faith?

[lame_excuse]

What exactly is the Tea Party? Anyone?

 

[pool_hustler]

Nope, not losing it here.

It seems about the only people who expected him to actually be a messiah are the righties :dunno:

A messiah tasked with cleaning up what is primarily their **** storm, no less

One of a couple of issues I might have with him is this......

took roughly 1 1/2 years to learn that the GOP has no interest in bipartisanship.

But I give him credit for being well intentioned, though naive.

What I've lost my faith in is any hope of the GOP doing anything that serves anyone other than the GOP. Like Obama, my naivete on that score no longer exists.

 

[DJCowboy]

What I've lost my faith in is any hope of the GOP doing anything that serves anyone other than the GOP.

Same can be said for the demies as well when Bush was in power. It repeats over and over. I would love to see the days revived when (sorry, was watching The Presidents on History Channel) and presidents weren't afraid to overstep their bounds of power and just rush on through opposition. Jefferson didn't have authority to buy the Louisiana Territory but he did it. Lincoln put people of the press in jail for speaking negatively of him or his cabinet (that one I disagree with but it showed balls). What happened to those days!?!?

 

[vodkazvictim]

:rofl:
:thumbsup:
:iloveyou:

 

[Hot Mega]

Hope and change are not a strategy.

He nor any of his supporters ever said it was. No more than John McCain and Sarah Palin said their campaign theme of "America First" was a "strategy".

 

[meesterperfect]

man you really are clueless to reality sometimes.
As if clinton and the democrat senate and the latter democrat congress has no responsibilty for the situation.
And as if people are blaming obamer for it, and because he's black?
get real.

 

[Hot Mega]

man you really are clueless to reality sometimes.
As if clinton and the democrat senate and the latter democrat congress has no responsibilty for the situation.
And as if people are blaming obamer for it, and because he's black?
get real.

Careful...10 months into Obama's term there was a bunch claiming Obama was "still" blaming Bush a year later based on a statement he made 2 months after he took office. I'm not sure if you were in that bunch or not but it would seem a little hypocritical to be blaming Clinton (even Carter as some clownishly do) all these years later (for what of I'm still not sure) while trying to absolve Bush of any of the current malaise.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Who can honestly think Bush did NOT cause the problems?!
The guys internationally renowned as an idiot and treated as a figure of fun for petes sake!
Do you honestly think Obama bought the system down the moment he walked into office with a simple click of his fingers?!

 

[E-Ann-Hilden]

The Obama house is falling apart, yet Mega stands amidst the rubble and smoke, chin up to be the last one to turn the lights out.

Much easier to ****** then defend policies, every adminstration knows that.

With november elections near by and with Republicans maybe taking one or both of the houses, they will no longer be on the offensive, they will have to present sound ideas and not obstructions. I am all ears!

 

[Trident1]

Very true. I voted for him but I was fairly divided between him and McCain because I don't think much would be different now if either one was in place. Of course, in several years health care will be different, but the economy would be the same and we would be hearing the same complaints from the democrat side that we are currently hearing from the conservative side. But if McCain was put in, would we have the Tea Party? They're entertaining to watch.


My point is, here's who I am voting for in '12




Now, I am ready for change.

Hell, I'd vote for Walken in 2012!:glugglug:

 

[Trident1]

Much easier to ****** then defend policies, every adminstration knows that.

With november elections near by and with Republicans maybe taking one or both of the houses, they will no longer be on the offensive, they will have to present sound ideas and not obstructions. I am all ears!

Obviously the Dems have thin skin and can't take criticism. They're the ones who usually dole it out. Well they won in '08, a landslide but despite that they squandered it all. Apparently they had a lot of flash but no content.:1orglaugh

 

[Jagger69]

I lost faith in the American political system a long time ago. It bothers me, however, that some seem to take sadistic delight in our country's present misfortune all the while deluding themselves into believing that "their side" has all the right answers. It's OK....the left-wingers will do the same to them once the power has shifted back to them. The problems will be exacerbated, the politicians will blame each other and they will keep lining their pockets while the constituents become more polarized than ever. Sure sounds like a formula for success to me.

Obama's administration can be described as nothing but disappointing in my viewpoint. However, those who smugly sit there and act like they've got all the answers conveniently forget that they were the ones who got us where we currently are to begin with.

 

[Trident1]

However, those who smugly sit there and act like they've got all the answers conveniently forget that they were the ones who got us where we currently are to begin with.

That can be said of every administration. It's a vicious circle. It goes on and on and on and on...........................

 

[Jagger69]

That can be said of every administration. It's a vicious circle. It goes on and on and on and on...........................

Exactly. Hence, my disdain and total lack of confidence in the American political system. It is irretrievably broken in its current form and does not work regardless of who is in power. The relative health of the economy in general is determined by factors that come into play in spite of the government, not because of it.

 

[Trident1]

We were lucky this recession which was the worst since the 1930s didn't turn into a Depression. However, we came awfully close.

 

[Hot Mega]

Exactly. Hence, my disdain and total lack of confidence in the American political system. It is irretrievably broken in its current form and does not work regardless of who is in power. The relative health of the economy in general is determined by factors that come into play in spite of the government, not because of it.

I tend to disagree. The defense to the way the system is would be for people to educate themselves about the facts.

When people (of whichever political stripe) complain about the unemployment rate wouldn't be worth it to compare rates to the last time the economy was in this kind of trouble under Reagan? Not for the purposes of bashing Reagan but for the purposes of putting the circumstances in some perspective or context.

When talking heads claim the stimulus "didn't work". Wouldn't it be worth it to know the status of the spending? And that the spending isn't even two-thirds completed...?

Isn't it worth it to hold GOPers accountable for complaining how $30B in additional U/E benefits is mortgaging our ********'s future while continuing to support the financing of a $300B per year tax cut for the top 2 pct?

Isn't it worthwhile when Obama's opponents whine about health care being ***** down their throats without the debate being aired on C-SPAN as promised by Obama to point out they had a better chance to do so for a year with the townhall fiascoes? Demos went to discuss and debate it but ended with the debate hijacked by obstructionists with tea bags and props.

While I expect the average Demo or Obama supporter to know these things I don't blame them for not knowing or understanding them.

I blame Obama and his cronies for not making these cases so that their supporters are not so woe-begotten trying to defend his policies.

 

[Jagger69]

I tend to disagree.

After re-reading your post a number of times, I'm not certain what part of my stance you find to be in error but most certainly disagreeing with me is nothing new when it comes to our exchanges in the past. :1orglaugh

What exactly are you disagreeing with....my statement that the system is irretrievably broken or that it is not the government that ultimately determines the state of the economy?

:dunno:

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

I just wet myself.:rofl:

 

[Hot Mega]

After re-reading your post a number of times, I'm not certain what part of my stance you find to be in error but most certainly disagreeing with me is nothing new when it comes to our exchanges in the past. :1orglaugh

What exactly are you disagreeing with....my statement that the system is irretrievably broken or that it is not the government that ultimately determines the state of the economy?

:dunno:

The part about the system being ...broken. I don't think the system is broken just because sycophants from either side are able to spin an ignorant electorate.

In fact, it's just the opposite. What's broken is an electorate too lazy or incorrigible to find truth or reason in issues in age where there's unprecedented access to information.

You have the internet now, a billion C-SPAN channels, even politicos on tv every night traversing the issues. Not that the objective person would need to rely on their word. But they are availed of the issues by them whereby they can then further investigate the issue/truth on their own.

It's always in the interest of those out of power to peddle a case for the system being "broken"...after all, they need and want that perception in order to foment the discontent necessary to vote their opposition out. It tends to especially be the case with those who identify as conservative (e.g. we just had 16 years of a GOPer congress and 8 years of a GOPer POTUS who got every policy he wanted..but Obama gets elected and all of the sudden we need a revolution.)

 

[rjdogma]

The Obama administration, through their decisive actions, stabilized not only the US economy but the world economy.

Doing good so far. Keep it up.