Do you believe in God?

[Wainkerr99]

OK, look, I could go one for a while, but (this time) I won't. I have prayed for people. I remember one lady in particular. I really knuckled down. A couple of days later, while I ***** in the afternoon, I 'saw' a person enter the room. he was bald, the dace I couldn't make out. Anyway, he started ********** me. This is not the first time this has happened. I struggled to **** up, willing myself to say "Jesus" out loud. After a minute or so he, it, left. And NO it wasn't a BREAK IN and NO I wasn't imagining it and NO it's not - the favourite of unbelieving folk - 'psychological.'

Many years back I 'saw' a group of demons, maybe 20. They were trying to enter me via my back as I *****. A being in white appeared saying, "Leave my ***** alone." They left His ***** alone, quicker than a wink.

Have I seen Jesus? Yes. Have I seen God, no, obviously, just Light. Angels? Wings and light, mostly. I have felt their comfort.

I prayed once for a chap in a store. His friend told me he was a confirmed atheist. Well, the room was swimming with a tangible presence. He looked at me with shock and I dunno what else.

Oops, looks like this is going to be long.

Why does God allow evil. Jee I can't believe people ask that. Let's make it real simple. Someone decides to film, let's say, extreme, girl bashing porn. Hmm. They USED to have a conscience. Now they really don't seem to care. Their conscience has been seared.

Someone may decide to shoot a cop. A small, still voice will urge him not to, but, he will ignore it. Maybe that cop just left church to go on duty. He leaves a beautiful wife and a newborn baby behind. God's fault? No. The shooter had a choice. God cannot counter your will. Otherwise you would be a programmed being.

Is there a devil? Well, people worship him, don't they? Do they follow him? Yes. Do they still have a choice? Yes.

God allows you a choice. Like they said in "Charmed" even, that episode with Krista Allen where she speaks to the Source - "The great flaw in the plan."
It isn't really a flaw. It's just that everyone chooses evil over good, usually.

If God overrode the shooter's, ******'s, etc, will, he would not be God. He would be Dominus Immortalis. Maybe then everyone would follow Him. You would not have a choice. However, then Lucifer would go screeching into Heaven - yes, he does still have access there - querying why God can stop people doing stuff and making Himself so well known, when he can't. No fair!!!

Also, creativity might be severely limited.

I don't know why Man has to choose. Maybe because there was some or other fruit incident in a garden 10 000 years ago. (Not an apple, it doesn't say anywhere it was an apple). Oh and by the way - it isn't money is the root of all evil, it is "the love of money is the root of all evil."

God does not come bludgeoning Himself into our consciousness, otherwise Satan could do the same, which means our choice would be clear. here would be no more need for faith or believing or discovering, or a ********* discovery of truth and the wonder when we find it.

Evidence. Well, the bible does say the evidence is clear but people choose to disregard it, deliberately hardening their hearts against truth. Think of this if you would: we are the 3rd rock from the sun: God is 3 Persons.
We are protected still by some ozone. God protects us.

Our planet is shielded by Jupiter. God is our shield. Do you honestly think it is
sheer blind accidental luck that there is a giant planet deflecting meteors?

Yes, terrible things are done in the name of religion. Not God sitting up there rubbing His hands in cruel glee. Christians were persecuted even for saying the earth is round - when the bible says: "He is seated above the circle of the earth." I posted elsewhere God tells people even though they make their home amongst the stars, yet there He will find them.

I myself have prayed for people to get well. They got well. Do I have a super duper powerful mind? If I did I wouldn't be here right now, I'd be rich and famous already! I like to think. Point is, no, I'm the dude everyone ignores, you know, blonde hair, don't smoke, looks like, well anyway I'm not tall dark and handsome.

People try to ignore or curse God or push Him away 'cos they think He is out to spoil their fun. He isn't, He wants to deliver. I still think it's OK to enjoy a nice sexy babe. Hopefully I will be allowed to do that for a while still. (Lol).

God has helped me time and time again in my personal life. Crutch, I hear you sneer. Well, if it is, so be it. What a wonderful crutch. Kudos to you what can do it all by yourself. Many can, and do. I battle with computer code and the latest term for everything. What is the one I heard recently? Hapsic or some such thing, to do with Samsung's iPod killer. I don't know. It's neverfreakingending. Endless terminology and everyone knows 'cept me.

Still, God loves me. When I have gone to a very dear friend in the past - at the end of all my bewilderment and arguments, I just felt His love shining through......

:lovecoupl

 

[TwatDetective]

ok, look, i could go one for a while, but (this time) i won't. I have prayed for people. I remember one lady in particular. I really knuckled down. A couple of days later, while i ***** in the afternoon, i 'saw' a person enter the room. He was bald, the dace i couldn't make out. Anyway, he started ********** me. This is not the first time this has happened. I struggled to **** up, willing myself to say "jesus" out loud. After a minute or so he, it, left. And no it wasn't a break in and no i wasn't imagining it and no it's not - the favourite of unbelieving folk - 'psychological.'

many years back i 'saw' a group of demons, maybe 20. They were trying to enter me via my back as i *****. A being in white appeared saying, "leave my ***** alone." they left his ***** alone, quicker than a wink.

Have i seen jesus? Yes. Have i seen god, no, obviously, just light. Angels? Wings and light, mostly. I have felt their comfort.

I prayed once for a chap in a store. His friend told me he was a confirmed atheist. Well, the room was swimming with a tangible presence. He looked at me with shock and i dunno what else.

Oops, looks like this is going to be long.

Why does god allow evil. Jee i can't believe people ask that. Let's make it real simple. Someone decides to film, let's say, extreme, girl bashing porn. Hmm. They used to have a conscience. Now they really don't seem to care. Their conscience has been seared.

Someone may decide to shoot a cop. A small, still voice will urge him not to, but, he will ignore it. Maybe that cop just left church to go on duty. He leaves a beautiful wife and a newborn baby behind. God's fault? No. The shooter had a choice. God cannot counter your will. Otherwise you would be a programmed being.

Is there a devil? Well, people worship him, don't they? Do they follow him? Yes. Do they still have a choice? Yes.

God allows you a choice. Like they said in "charmed" even, that episode with krista allen where she speaks to the source - "the great flaw in the plan."
it isn't really a flaw. It's just that everyone chooses evil over good, usually.

If god overrode the shooter's, ******'s, etc, will, he would not be god. He would be dominus immortalis. Maybe then everyone would follow him. You would not have a choice. However, then lucifer would go screeching into heaven - yes, he does still have access there - querying why god can stop people doing stuff and making himself so well known, when he can't. No fair!!!

Also, creativity might be severely limited.

I don't know why man has to choose. Maybe because there was some or other fruit incident in a garden 10 000 years ago. (not an apple, it doesn't say anywhere it was an apple). Oh and by the way - it isn't money is the root of all evil, it is "the love of money is the root of all evil."

god does not come bludgeoning himself into our consciousness, otherwise satan could do the same, which means our choice would be clear. Here would be no more need for faith or believing or discovering, or a ********* discovery of truth and the wonder when we find it.

Evidence. Well, the bible does say the evidence is clear but people choose to disregard it, deliberately hardening their hearts against truth. Think of this if you would: We are the 3rd rock from the sun: God is 3 persons.
We are protected still by some ozone. God protects us.

Our planet is shielded by jupiter. God is our shield. Do you honestly think it is
sheer blind accidental luck that there is a giant planet deflecting meteors?

Yes, terrible things are done in the name of religion. Not god sitting up there rubbing his hands in cruel glee. Christians were persecuted even for saying the earth is round - when the bible says: "he is seated above the circle of the earth." i posted elsewhere god tells people even though they make their home amongst the stars, yet there he will find them.

I myself have prayed for people to get well. They got well. Do i have a super duper powerful mind? If i did i wouldn't be here right now, i'd be rich and famous already! I like to think. Point is, no, i'm the dude everyone ignores, you know, blonde hair, don't smoke, looks like, well anyway i'm not tall dark and handsome.

People try to ignore or curse god or push him away 'cos they think he is out to spoil their fun. He isn't, he wants to deliver. I still think it's ok to enjoy a nice sexy babe. Hopefully i will be allowed to do that for a while still. (lol).

God has helped me time and time again in my personal life. Crutch, i hear you sneer. Well, if it is, so be it. What a wonderful crutch. Kudos to you what can do it all by yourself. Many can, and do. I battle with computer code and the latest term for everything. What is the one i heard recently? Hapsic or some such thing, to do with samsung's ipod killer. I don't know. It's neverfreakingending. Endless terminology and everyone knows 'cept me.

Still, god loves me. When i have gone to a very dear friend in the past - at the end of all my bewilderment and arguments, i just felt his love shining through......

:lovecoupl

lol

 

[Wainkerr99]

Oops duplicate post.

 

[TwatDetective]

I have felt Jesus in my pants.

 

[Eric Lindros]

Yes, as a good Christian I believe.

 

[Facetious]

You're rushed to the hospital in need of prompt heart surgery . .

Which cardiologist do you choose, the anti creationist, pro "euthanasiaistic" atheist cardiologist or the one who, in all honesty, believes in a "holy ghost" but isn't fanatic about his religion, one who only attends church at the behest of his wife . . In other words, the extreme, far right winged, Christian proselyte cardiologist, according to the "ath" community. :spin:

So which one . . huh . . huh ?

 

[TwatDetective]

The atheist.

I don't want a doctor who will believe something without evidence. Like say, homeopathy.

Or asking Jesus to eat the heart tumour.

 

[GabberMan]

Atheism, but if I do meet God I'll ask him why he "lets" all these things happen - including my disbelief.

 

[britlover]

I choose yes. I believe in a higher power.

 

[Wickedclown]

I'm just enamored about how people get so emotionally invested on either side of the query. :1orglaugh

Chill Already ! Stop being so judgmental and discriminatory.

To each his or her own

Live and let Live

Learn to looooove & Cher

Let it be . . . let it be :rofl2:

This is what religion should consist of. Everything else helps people on the top (leaders) to exploit others, gain power which will be misused. I personally would like to believe in god (which should look like a king in a poker card deck) who releaves people from pain and counts the "carma-points" of every human. But if there was a god with good intentions he´d probably wipe our race from the face of the planet.
I praise everybody who is convinced of the rightiousness of their religion what helps them to do good. :thumbsup:
Fanatics aren´t worth :2 cents: :thefinger

 

[Philbert]

No...what I was saying is that nobody truly believes in God, because everybody sins (I'm not talking about your being born into an atagonistic, blah blah blah stuff that I don't understand ).

Case in point...

Every single person who is a member of this forum, who visits this site and still claims that they believe in God, does not truly believe in God. Why, you ask? Because "LUST" is a sin, and coming to a pornography forum on the internet is the defintion of lust. If they truly believed in God, they wouldn't willingly sin and go against God's will.

:looks over own posts again:

Nope, just as I thought. Not once did I say that I spoke for you or anyone else, so...:dunno:
Why is my post pointless? Oh, I get it...because I didn't 100% agree with your thoughts or your opinions? I'm not surprised. I mean, that's how religion works, right? Agree with me or you're wrong and you don't matter.

...I understand perfectly.


I don't know if you're religious, what religion you are or how serious you are about religion as a whole, but, according to the Bible, you're wrong. I'm not religous, but, in the Bible, Matthew 5:28-30 says...





The problem with a lot of religious people (not all) is that they contradict themselves on a constant basis when it comes to morality. The Bible, for example, lays out a specific set of rules and morals that people are supposed to follow. The people who believe in God and the Bible do two completely opposite things...

1) They claim that the Bible is the word of God; that the rules (Commandments) contained within the Bible should be followed if they want to get into Heaven, or else they will go to Hell
2) They claim that morals and values are an individual's choice

How can it be both God's way and an individual's way? :dunno:



With most people...yes. Some people refuse to accept the reality of the situation when it comes to religion and those are the people who are impossible to talk to. Some people get it, some people don't.

To each their own.

Yes, you did.

Get over yourself...no, you don't.

And you are quoting the New Testament, the Christian only version of the bible. I give it even less credibility as the word of God than the Old Testament, and since I make my own path decisions based on what I believe, you and the writers of any archaic text are only footnotes in my personal philosophy of life, you much less so.

 

[Philbert]

You're rushed to the hospital in need of prompt heart surgery . .

Which cardiologist do you choose, the anti creationist, pro "euthanasiaistic" atheist cardiologist or the one who, in all honesty, believes in a "holy ghost" but isn't fanatic about his religion, one who only attends church at the behest of his wife . . In other words, the extreme, far right winged, Christian proselyte cardiologist, according to the "ath" community. :spin:

So which one . . huh . . huh ?

The best surgeon, bucky.
You sure have a confused view of an "extreme, far right winged, Christian proselyte cardiologist".

 

[Spleen]

Sure, I believe in a God. But probably not the God they talk about in any book.

 

[Facetious]

The best surgeon, bucky.
You sure have a confused view of an "extreme, far right winged, Christian proselyte cardiologist".

No, I'm just mocking the stereotype. A pinch of faith is tantamount to zealotry in the minds of many within the anti faith persuasion.

 

[young_guns]

yeah, to a certain point

 

[BlueBalls]

You're rushed to the hospital in need of prompt heart surgery . .

Which cardiologist do you choose, the anti creationist, pro "euthanasiaistic" atheist cardiologist or the one who, in all honesty, believes in a "holy ghost" but isn't fanatic about his religion, one who only attends church at the behest of his wife . . In other words, the extreme, far right winged, Christian proselyte cardiologist, according to the "ath" community. :spin:

So which one . . huh . . huh ?

But who is the better surgeon?

In matters like this it really shouldnt matter should it? But when George Bush tells the world he's spoken to God and God told him to invade Iraq (or whatever that was about) those are the times people should be worried when there elected leaders are letting their faith decide their actions which will have an effect on every citizen on the country then they are no better than Iran. Allowing faith to determine domestic ond foriegn policy is a major breech in that church and state divide.

Picking between a surgoen who doesnt believe in god and is pro euthenasia who may if he/she doesnt believe they can save you turn off the life support and a simi religious surgeon who might say a prayer and keep working for hours and hours and hours to try to save you really doesnt hold much of an argument because the better sugeon would use al their training and years of expertises to make a triained decision on the patients state and would not let their beliefs become involved in that decision.

I know you were joking but Ithought I would answer seriously anyway.

 

[Juiceman]

YES!!! Sure there's a God, you think all this stuff just happened? If evolution were true then why haven't we seen any more evidence of it? Why aren't there apes becoming men on a regular basis. Something else too, carbon dated testing is a farce also. At a recent argument over a very old (they thought) rock, several top scientists after months of arguing decided to test the age of the rock. It was determined the rock's age to be over 200 million years old. They x-rayed the rock and found a "mass" inside. After a long argument they broke open the rock (this 200million year old rock) to find a CLOCK!!! So how old "WAS" that rock???

 

[cartman24]

Yes, I find it hard to believe that once we die there is nothing else.

 

[Friday on my mind]

You're rushed to the hospital in need of prompt heart surgery . .

Which cardiologist do you choose, the anti creationist, pro "euthanasiaistic" atheist cardiologist or the one who, in all honesty, believes in a "holy ghost" but isn't fanatic about his religion, one who only attends church at the behest of his wife . . In other words, the extreme, far right winged, Christian proselyte cardiologist, according to the "ath" community. :spin:

So which one . . huh . . huh ?

No, I'm just mocking the stereotype. A pinch of faith is tantamount to zealotry in the minds of many within the anti faith persuasion.

If I somehow in the hospital am made aware of his faith he would have to be a lot more then a "pinch" of zealot.Keep it private doc,where it belongs,it has nothing to do with science and medicine ya know lol.
And the same type of stereotype you claim is made about the faithfull is exactly what you engage in when you use terms like "euthanasiaistic" atheist.Buy yes I would be very concerned if my health was in the hands off someone who made me aware he believed in such totally unfounded beliefs like holy ghosts,resurections etc etc etc.People who attend church out of perceived tradition,spousal wish etc is one thing but my health in the hands of any spirtualist beleiving witch doctor whether he believes in voodoo or creationism is worrying.

If evolution were true then why haven't we seen any more evidence of it? Why aren't there apes becoming men on a regular basis.

IF it were true??:1orglaugh
And you are mis-stating the theory of evolution(don't let the theory word fool ya though,gravity is a theory also ,but both have substantial bodies of evidence behind them).The theory is not that man is descended directly from apes but that apes and man are related and had common ancestors.The more the faithfull deny scientific reality the more credibilty they lose.But then again they should have lost all credibility a few centuries ago.Not only has creationism been shown to be totally without merit but so has the idea the world is the center of the solar system or that the earth is flat etc etc etc.And what was the faithfulls reaction through history to being shown the facts about nature? Why repression and ******** with burning such heretics who dared to speak the truth at the stake in many cases.The world has too many big issues and challenges to believe such things which have no basis in science.
But finally I don't worry about doctors who beleive in such things as creationism very much,no way can there be a large percentage of such highly educated people in the sciences as doctors who actually could beleive such.

 

[Master_Gio]

Yeah, I do. but i am far from some weirdo or religious fanatic.