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I, personally, don't believe in God and, no offense, find it amazing that so many people still believe in him in this day and age. When you think of when the idea of God was created you realize that God was created thousands of years ago when man-kind didn't know anything except how to make fire and sex. they were baffled with this world and needed something to give them answers.
In the words of Homer Simpson, God is my favorite fictional character.
So in your mind, it's more reasonable that some all-powerful being created us all and gave us all these rules rather than the evolution of cells over millions of years?
What about the dinasaurs? how do you explain those?
Well most of the things in the bible were proven to happen, except they have a rationale explanation.
For example, Noah's arc; God didn't flood the world. Apparently there was some major flood that created the black sea, and that's where the stories come from (stories because mostancient documents have a story about a flood).
Another example is when some prophet, I forgot his name, went up to heaven in a train of fire, when in fact those were aliens in their spaceship.
In the words of Homer Simpson, God is my favorite fictional character.
I believe in God. Personally, I think evolution is bullshit. For example how the hell did a fruit bearing tree/plant figure "uh hey I need to reproduce so I'll just coat my seeds in delicious food so an ****** can eat it, crap it out and grow another plant!" Evolution just makes no sense. A higher and greater being than us has to have created us, because everything just works so perfectly.
Well until humans were put in the mix anyway
So in your mind, it's more reasonable that some all-powerful being created us all and gave us all these rules rather than the evolution of cells over millions of years?
What about the dinasaurs? how do you explain those?
Well most of the things in the bible were proven to happen, except they have a rationale explanation.
For example, Noah's arc; God didn't flood the world. Apparently there was some major flood that created the black sea, and that's where the stories come from (stories because mostancient documents have a story about a flood).
Another example is when some prophet, I forgot his name, went up to heaven in a train of fire, when in fact those were aliens in their spaceship.
Legzman
what the fuck you lookin at?
I don't judge anyone! It just sounded like you were is all!
the truth is nobody has any answers, only ideas. who knows, maybe satan is good and god is evil. thats the beauty of religious conversations. everybody could be right. maybe heaven and hell, good and evil are all what we want them to be. :2 cents:
god didnt create the devil. geez, that is obvious. get a clue.
yeah, get your facts straight. :rofl:
Brian, surely ?
Are you taking the ****
My theological knowedge is pretty week but i thought the devil was lucifer, fallen angel etc ( see dogma )
so did the big man not create him as well :o
I have a problem with any movement that doesn't allow me to question, and question intelligently (not just argumentatively). That's why I have a problem with most religions, including political ones (popular environmentalism, believed by a majority of Americans, is a good example).
Now if its the quest of spirituality, I'm all ears. In fact, I find the best discussions are those that remove the concept of God altogether. Not because I don't believe in God per se, but because just the name "God" brings all sorts of assumptions by others into the conversation and quest.
Frankly, I think God is a Woman Herself. Because I fucking worship full, device, hourglass figures. I notice the body of a woman first, and I swear a woman is in God's own image. Because God Herself is the woman that has all the form and curves of the ultimate woman.
People laugh at that, or think I'm fooling around and making a joke or fun of them if they stop to believe me, but completely spiritually speaking, am I wrong in that analysis? As I always say, I'm at least half-serious on this, even if you think I'm not serious at all.
Now if its the quest of spirituality, I'm all ears. In fact, I find the best discussions are those that remove the concept of God altogether. Not because I don't believe in God per se, but because just the name "God" brings all sorts of assumptions by others into the conversation and quest.
Frankly, I think God is a Woman Herself. Because I fucking worship full, device, hourglass figures. I notice the body of a woman first, and I swear a woman is in God's own image. Because God Herself is the woman that has all the form and curves of the ultimate woman.
People laugh at that, or think I'm fooling around and making a joke or fun of them if they stop to believe me, but completely spiritually speaking, am I wrong in that analysis? As I always say, I'm at least half-serious on this, even if you think I'm not serious at all.
because he also gave us free will and the ability to choose how we want to live our life, be good or evil. if we will be good and follow his, umm, let's say teachings, then we will be rewarded in the after-life. if we choose the evil path and fail to conquer our urges, then we will be punished and go to hell and have our soul burn for all eternity.
Women look good, but they also have to do ALOT to maintain that look. It's alot of work and it sucks. all men have to do is shave once a day, some do it even less and some don't shave at all and they still look good. Women, on the other hand, have to shave every inch of their body and on top of that endure the pains of their monthly periods. It's pretty safe to say, God, if exists and if has a gender, is a man. If God were a woman, she'd make men suffer from period and get pregnant.
Not to mention men are the stronger and only in recent years women learned to manipulate men. For thousands of years men dominated women.
Nice post calm - free will is probably the best christian argument on the matter of good & evil / heaven & hell
also, i guess following your reasoning if there is a god, and man was created in god's image, then god must be a bloke ( cause i've heard pregnancy and periods can be quite uncomfortable )
also, i guess following your reasoning if there is a god, and man was created in god's image, then god must be a bloke ( cause i've heard pregnancy and periods can be quite uncomfortable )
Good Post:thumbsup:
And if he is all knowing & almighty - which is impossible - why did he create Hitler? Why did he throw Adam & Eve out of Paradisefor something he knew they would do? No there is no God. And free will is not a good point, because if you don't follow God's biddings you'll burn in Hell. So what Free will?
Well, "good" and "evil" could possibly be explained by the way they define each other. One is meaningless without the other, so it follows that both must exist and it's up to us to do the best we can.
The omniscient thing is harder though, and I've got nothing there. A couple of years ago, I asked a friend of mine who is a deeply believing Christian about Abraham and Isaac, wondering why God would need to test Abraham's faith if he already knew what his decision would be (and to my surprise, my friend admitted that he didn't know). One possible explanation can be obtained by Occam's Razor; God isn't omniscient, or at least not the part of him that interacts with humans.
It's sort of pointless anyway. An omnipotent, omniscient etc. being can't exist within logic, so using logic to argue for or against it is not going to work.
The omniscient thing is harder though, and I've got nothing there. A couple of years ago, I asked a friend of mine who is a deeply believing Christian about Abraham and Isaac, wondering why God would need to test Abraham's faith if he already knew what his decision would be (and to my surprise, my friend admitted that he didn't know). One possible explanation can be obtained by Occam's Razor; God isn't omniscient, or at least not the part of him that interacts with humans.
It's sort of pointless anyway. An omnipotent, omniscient etc. being can't exist within logic, so using logic to argue for or against it is not going to work.
Hmm,.. then again. Who says our rules of physics is the same through-out the universe? Who says we have discovered every material there is? We once believed the earth was flat.. remember?
My point here is that no matter how much we think, study, advance, we are still in the hands of evolution. My second point is the arabs saw Jesus, and were amazed, today we see technological advances, and gets amazed.
So wether there is a god or not I'd say depends very very much on the individual itself. We do, by nature, always seek safe places. If religion is one, then that is fine with me.
My point here is that no matter how much we think, study, advance, we are still in the hands of evolution. My second point is the arabs saw Jesus, and were amazed, today we see technological advances, and gets amazed.
So wether there is a god or not I'd say depends very very much on the individual itself. We do, by nature, always seek safe places. If religion is one, then that is fine with me.
Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion
but i'm not sure if this is the best venue for high level theological debate
issues of predestination and god's omniscience, determinsim and free will have been being discussed by christianity's greatest minds ( not including freeones members ) for 2000 years, more or less
st augustus, st thomas, aquinas and more recently luther and calvin have all spent ages debating this issue and have written many sermons, essays & books
there is still disagreement, clearly - this is one of the areas of difference between the catholic and, example, calvinist churches
my point is that, if you want to investigate hard enough, you would be able to find theological explanations on free will, why evil people are born etc
whether you accept the explanation is gonna be based on faith & belief
i'm not on here arguing the corner for god or christian belief
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