World authority in psychiatry : Trump is "dangerous"

Trump is now dangerous – that makes his mental health a matter of public interest


Bandy Lee, the world authority in psychiatry, consulted by US politicians, argues that the president’s mental fitness deserves scrutiny


Eight months ago, a group of us put our concerns into a book, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President. It became an instant bestseller, depleting bookstores within days. We thus discovered that our endeavours resonated with the public.

While we keep within the letter of the Goldwater rule – which prohibits psychiatrists from diagnosing public figures without a personal examination and without consent – there is still a lot that mental health professionals can tell before the public reaches awareness. These come from observations of a person’s patterns of responses, of media appearances over time, and from reports of those close to him. Indeed, we know far more about Trump in this regard than many, if not most, of our patients. Nevertheless, the personal health of a public figure is her private affair – until, that is, it becomes a threat to public health.

To make a diagnosis one needs all the relevant information – including, I believe, a personal interview. But to assess dangerousness, one only needs enough information to raise alarms. It is about the situation rather than the person. The same person may not be a danger in a different situation, while a diagnosis stays with the person.

It is Trump in the office of the presidency that poses a danger
. Why? Past ******** is the best predictor of future ********, and he has shown: verbal aggressiveness, boasting about sexual assaults, inciting ******** in others, an attraction to ******** and powerful weapons and the continual taunting of a hostile nation with nuclear power. Specific traits that are highly associated with ******** include: impulsivity, recklessness, paranoia, a loose grip on reality with a poor understanding of consequences, rage reactions, a lack of empathy, belligerence towards others and a constant need to demonstrate power.

There is another pattern by which he is dangerous. His cognitive function, or his ability to process knowledge and thoughts, has begun to be widely questioned. Many have noted a distinct decline in his outward ability to form complete sentences, to stay with a thought, to use complex words and not to make loose associations. This is dangerous because of the critical importance of decision-making capacity in the office that he holds. Cognitive decline can result from any number of causes – psychiatric, neurological, medical, or medication-induced – and therefore needs to be investigated. Likewise, we do not know whether psychiatric symptoms are due to a mental disorder, medication, or a physical condition, which only a thorough examination can reveal.

A diagnosis in itself, as much as it helps define the course, prognosis, and treatment, is Trump’s private business, but what is our affair is whether the president and commander-in-chief has the capacity to function in his office. Mental illness, or even physical disability, does not necessarily impair a president from performing his function. Rather, questions about this capacity mobilised us to speak out about our concerns, with the intent to warn and to educate the public, so that we can help protect its own safety and wellbeing.

Indeed, at no other time in US history has a group of mental health professionals been so collectively concerned about a sitting president’s dangerousness. This is not because he is an unusual person – many of his symptoms are very common – but it is highly unusual to find a person with such signs of danger in the office of presidency. For the US, it may be unprecedented; for parts of the world where this has happened before, the outcome has been uniformly devastating.

Pathology does not feel right to the healthy. It repels, but it also exhausts and confuses. There is a reason why staying in close quarters with a person suffering from mental illness usually induces what is called a “shared psychosis”. Vulnerable or weakened individuals are more likely to succumb, and when their own mental health is compromised, they may develop an irresistible attraction to pathology. No matter the attraction, unlike healthy decisions that are life-affirming, choices that arise out of pathology lead to damage, destruction, and death. This is the definition of disease, and how we tell it apart from health.

Politics require that we allow everyone an equal chance; medicine requires that we treat everyone equally in protecting them from disease. That is why a liberal health professional would not ignore signs of appendicitis in a patient just because he is a Republican. Similarly, health professionals would not call pancreatic cancer something else because it is afflicting the president. When signs of illness become apparent, it is natural for the physician to recommend an examination. But when the disorder goes so far as to affect an individual’s ability to perform her function, and in some cases risks harm to the public as a result, then the health professional has a duty to sound the alarm.

The progress of the special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigations was worrisome to us for the effects it would have on the president’s stability. We predicted that Trump, who has shown marked signs of psychological fragility under ordinary circumstances, barely able to cope with basic criticism or unflattering news, would begin to unravel with the encroaching indictments. And if his mental stability suffered, then so would public safety and international security.

Indeed, that is what began to unfold: Trump became more paranoid, espousing once again conspiracy theories that he had let go of for a while. He seemed further to lose his grip on reality by denying his own voice on the Access Hollywood tapes. Also, the sheer frequency of his tweets seemed to reflect an agitated state of mind, and his retweeting some violent anti-Muslim videos showed his tendency to resort to ******** when under pressure.

Trump views ******** as a solution when he is stressed and desires to re-establish his power. Paranoia and overwhelming feelings of weakness and inadequacy make ******** very attractive, and powerful weapons very tempting to use – all the more so for their power. His contest with the North Korean leader about the size of their nuclear buttons is an example of that and points to the possibility of great danger by virtue of the power of his position.

It does not take a mental health professional to see that a person of Trump’s impairments, in the office of the presidency, is a danger to us all. What mental health experts can offer is affirmation that these signs are real, that they may be worse than the untrained person suspects, and that there are more productive ways of handling them than deflection or denial.

Screening for risk of harm is a routine part of mental health practice, and there are steps that we follow when someone poses a risk of danger: containment, removal from access to weapons and an urgent evaluation. When danger is involved, it is an emergency, where an established patient-provider relationship is not necessary, nor is consent; our ethical code mandates that we treat the person as our patient.

In medicine, mental impairment is considered as serious as physical impairment: it is just as debilitating, just as objectively observable and established just as reliably through standardised assessments. Mental health experts routinely perform capacity or fitness for duty examinations for courts and other legal bodies, and offer their recommendations. This is what we are calling for, urgently, in doing our part as medical professionals. The rest of the decision is up to the courts or, in this case, up to the body politic.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/07/donald-trump-dangerous-psychiatrist


Dr. Bandy Lee is an internationally recognized expert on ********. Trained in medicine and psychiatry at Yale and Harvard Universities, and in medical anthropology as a fellow of the National Institute of Mental Health, she is currently on the faculty of Yale School of Medicine’s Law and Psychiatry Division. She served as Director of Research for the Center for the Study of ******** (Harvard, U. Penn., N.Y.U., and Yale), co-founded Yale’s ******** and Health Study Group (MacMillan Center for International Studies), and leads a project group for the World Health Organization’s ******** Prevention Alliance. She has consulted with the governments of Ireland and France, as well as California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New York on ******** prevention programming in prisons and in the community. She played a key role in initiating reforms at Rikers Island, New York City’s correctional facility known for extreme levels of ********. She has been teaching students studying to be public defenders and to become asylum attorneys at Yale Law School since 2003, and a Global Health Studies course of her design, “********: Causes and Cures,” since 2013. She has served as consultant to the World Health Organization ******** and Injury Prevention department, UNESCO, and other United Nations bodies, and as speaker to the World Economic Forum. Her interests are in global health approaches to ******** prevention and multisectoral collaboration.
http://psychiatry.yale.edu/people/bandy_lee.profile


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No psychiatrist will diagnose anyone without evaluating them personally. In fact, the AMA can recommend that a physician’s license be suspended without a direct analysis or examination.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
The world has become soft and sensitive.

Without strong leadership third world type warlords and Islamic Imams would rule.

Time to fix that.
 
No psychiatrist will diagnose anyone without evaluating them personally. In fact, the AMA can recommend that a physician’s license be suspended without a direct analysis or examination.

She's not diagnosing anything, she's raising ther larm : Trump's mental health is worrying. He should be examined by a psychiatrist.
To make a diagnosis one needs all the relevant information – including, I believe, a personal interview. But to assess dangerousness, one only needs enough information to raise alarms.
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It does not take a mental health professional to see that a person of Trump’s impairments, in the office of the presidency, is a danger to us all.
Unfortunately, Trump will never agree to meet a psychiatrist
 
This raises an important issue : Every head of the executive branch (US Presidents, foreign Presidents and Prime Ministers, State Governors, etc) should go throught psychological examination before taking office (and before starting a new mandate if they are re-elected).
 
She's not diagnosing anything, she's raising ther larm : Trump's mental health is worrying. He should be examined by a psychiatrist.

Unfortunately, Trump will never agree to meet a psychiatrist

She’s a leftist who as a “ medical professional” should refrain from offering a diagnosis because she has not examined him and also she cannot look at the subject without a bias.

Trump hasn’t done one damn thing to warrant an examination except to win an election that you snowflakes thought you had in the bag and if anyone is showing any signs of mental instability it is those on the left who over a year later have not overcome their post election grief and are in some twisted delusional phase of trying to remove a duly elected president.

I personally hope you keep doing it, it will secure Trump’s second term.
 

xfire

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^^ Some folks recognize Obama derangement syndrome when they see it.
 

bobjustbob

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Bandy Lee, the world authority in psychiatry...

No need to go any further. Johan do you want to be diagnosed by anyone without laying on their couch? Start another thread.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Bandy Lee, the world authority in psychiatry...

No need to go any further. Johan do you want to be diagnosed by anyone without laying on their couch? Start another thread.

So much this ^. "I don't like Trump so he must be crazy." That's just nuts.
 

bobjustbob

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Oh, wait. It's based upon media appearances. I've got it now. Create medical opinions from what is seen on TV.

Wait, it's not a diagnosis. It's an opinion. Well, opinions are like... everyone is one.

Start another thread Johan.
 
She’s a leftist who as a “ medical professional” should refrain from offering a diagnosis because she has not examined him and also she cannot look at the subject without a bias.

Medical Ethics ****** professionals to treat each patient equally. You realize you're basicaly claiming she has no ethics ?
I guess you can back this with undeniable facts

Also, as stated before, she not offering any diagnosis

Wait, it's not a diagnosis. It's an opinion. Well, opinions are like... everyone is one.
Everyone has an opinion. But some opinons are more relevant than others.

Plumber Joe may have an opinion about the American Revolution but you would agree the opinion ofg an actual US historian is more relevant, the same way the opinion of an actual psychiatrist about Trump's mental health is more relevant than the opinion of a random Trump voter (like BC).
 

bobjustbob

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Her opinion is no more correct as yours or mine. It's not based upon spending any time with the man. How about she reads your posts and forms an opinion about you? Let her base this upon what others think about you. Are you willing to blindly accept her opinion? I hope not.
 
Her opinion is no more correct as yours or mine. It's not based upon spending any time with the man. How about she reads your posts and forms an opinion about you? Let her base this upon what others think about you. Are you willing to blindly accept her opinion? I hope not.

Blindly accept it, certainly not. But it would raise questions. If she says she's worried, I would be too and I would probably have an actual interview with a psychiatrist.

Trump has been on TV nearly everyday for now almost 3 years. I guess specialists can detect changes in his speeches' patterns, their structures, his language, etc.
And she's not speaking just for herself : She's 1 of 27 psychiatrist wo wrote a book (The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump) about their concerns over Trump's mental health.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
No psychiatrist will diagnose anyone without evaluating them personally. In fact, the AMA can recommend that a physician’s license be suspended without a direct analysis or examination.

QFT. Snowflakes keep trying but he will still be POTUS as long as he wants.
 
How is President Trump different than how he was during the campaign? We knew what he was when we elected him.


this woman has a PhD in molecular biology which means she's like, really smart and just as qualified to diagnose President Trump's mental health from the comfort of her couch in front of her tv as the rest of us:

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Oh my. This one ^^^ really HAS bought the program lol
Donald Trump has ALWAYS been about Donald Trump. His massive ego is undeniable, and has been on display for decades. What he does he does to feed and ideally further the gratification of that ego. What greater achievement in that respect than being the president?
"Oh but he loves us soooooo much he even gave up his salary" lol Oh please, that's such a bit of theater. Trump wipes his ass with a president's salary.

Do I think he's mentally ill? That depends on whether malignant narcissism is considered a mental illness. Technically I believe it is. And yes imo it makes him potentially more dangerous as a leader than an ordinary individual. But I don't think I've seen any significant increase in this syndrome from when he was candidate Trump. This is just who he is, and what will always be his primary driving *****.

And speaking of giving up a quieter life to be "bombarded 24/7 by vile assholes who aren't fit to even lick his boots", what does Dr. Suhler think Obama did? And in fact one of the most prominent of those 'vile assholes' was The Birther King himself, Donald Trump.
 
how is president trump different than how he was during the campaign? We knew what he was when we elected him.


This woman has a phd in molecular biology which means she's like, really smart and just as qualified to diagnose president trump's mental health from the comfort of her couch in front of her tv as the rest of us:

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hmmmmm
 

bobjustbob

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So we have a collection of 27 psychiatrists that never met the man. Their opinion is no more valid than 27 FreeOnes board posters that never met the man. So if 27 egg heads that have never met you decide to come up with an opinion about your mental state, you would be concerned?

See this for what it is. Just another way to bitch, fart, and cry because Hillary isn't President of the United States. Get over it. Earth will not stop rotating on it's axis over this election.
 
So we have a collection of 27 psychiatrists that never met the man. Their opinion is no more valid than 27 FreeOnes board posters that never met the man.

What a load of ****. 27 people trained and experienced in spotting mental disabilities and a president who puts every rambling incoherent thought out on the internet for everyone to see. They don't claim to have a diagnosis, they argue that they've seen enough to have legitimate concerns.

Your dismissal of this shows how far you trumpa loompas are prepared to go to protect your stable genius.
 
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